Attack in Mass. Gay Bar- Page 2
Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Mythus
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#25re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 1:53pmWow, that's not far from here. Those poor people. That makes me feel absolutely sick. I feel like I shouldn't even leave my house today.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#26re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:01pm
DG I wish I could reside in your state of denial!
"It is difficult to process some of what goes on there, but it's not the place, it's only some of the people. "
Updated On: 2/2/06 at 02:01 PM
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#27re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:07pmIf my 'state of denial' leads me to not condemn and classify an entire place because of the actions of some, then I'll stay there.
#28re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:09pm
I'm not PC enough to take up for Kansas, but DG is right on when he asks if a gay guy or girl has ever gone into a str8 club and start chopping and shooting up the breeders--the answer is no of course.
Now, I've made plenty of girls cry and a few people change their locks, but nothing more than that. We're too busy violating ourselves to get around to anyone else.
#29re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:19pm
Lordy..
I was in a MA gay bar on Friday night.
"Y'all have a GRAND day now"
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#30re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:20pm
Fred Phelps is certainly an evil man that will rot in hell. I was born in Kansas and will be going there soon. I have many great friends in Kansas, I also know of many bigots. My little league coach's mouth was not be believed. My sisters are in Kansas and they are the two Democrats there.
DG - I understand your point.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#31re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:24pmAll I know is, I've lived in central Illinois, north-central Texas, Kansas, and Missouri - and right now I'm immersed in the most conservative environment I've ever been in in my life - in southern California. I just don't believe in the blanket categorization of places. Sure, there are major influences, but I'd hate to be branded with a label because of what my neighbors think, do or believe.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#32re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:28pmI guess we all need a voice of reason to calm the nerves after an incident like this one. I just wish some of could find a little bit of rage when our brothers and sisters are attacked.
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#34re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:41pm
brd - I was Air Force.
Chita - I lived much of my adult life with a sense of rage - it would have been difficult to have come of age as a gay man when I did and not devolve to that. But in the end, it only fed on and destroyed my own soul.
When I hear of things like this now, I don't feel rage, I feel a severe longing for the growth that is happening so slowly to step up its pace - and a vague sickness.
I don't think you need a sense of rage to say, "Enough is enough!" You need a sense of self that not only expects but demands what is due you as a human being. I think situations like this can galvanize and channel energy in a way that can be productive - whereas all I've seen rage lead to is more of the same.
When Matthew was killed in Wyoming, and that idiot showed up to protest, the most impactful response wasn't one born of rage - it was a young woman who, fueled by a sense of what was right, staged her silent counter-protest that was so beautifully immortalized in THE LARAMIE PROJECT.
Do these things make me angry? Yes, how could they not. But it is MY CHOICE as to what I do with that emotional response, and I choose not to devolve to the level of this cretin.
Updated On: 2/2/06 at 02:41 PM
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#35re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:48pm
Beautifully put. Truly. And I still say somewhere between your compassionate stance and my rage filled anger there is a way to more effectively come together and demand to be treated as full deserving citizens.
Updated On: 2/2/06 at 02:48 PM
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#36re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:51pm
Chita - political manipulation! It seems to work for everyone else 
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#37re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:53pmWe all have to do our best to teach tolerance, acceptance and compassion to our children and also in how we conduct ourselves in daily life.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#38re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 2:57pmbrd - and we know that you do - which is the best part of you - words into action!
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#39re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:01pm
when I sold my car to my best friend, she removed the gay flag sticker I had on the rear window. That always bothered me. I asked her why she took it off and she said "because I'm not gay!" A perfectly normal and correct and accurate response and yet 2 years later it still bothers me. There's nothing I can do about it. She isn't gay so she has no desire to identify her car with a gay flag. Especially a single woman.
Just ranting.
Updated On: 2/2/06 at 03:01 PM
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#40re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:02pmChita - get her an 'equality' sticker to replace it. My mother has that on her car.
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#41re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:02pmChita - breath in slowly and count to ten, then slowly exhale.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#43re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:13pm
You gay people are so colorful. Is it true that you all have good taste in clothes?
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
#44re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:15pmNot me. That's one of my hang ups. I am a terrible dresser for a gay man.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#45re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:15pmbrd - I honestly don't put on anything but sweats and a t-shirt unless I feel I absolutely HAVE to - and that's by MY determination, no one elses!
#46re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:15pmSo catch this: I'm working in an fashion office that will remain nameless, except for those who PM and I'll be happy to tell ya, but the tv's on and it's set on cnn. There are two older male clients sitting in the reception area watching the report about the attacks. When the bartender said that one man was shot as he was coming out of the bathroom, one of the men said "Yeah, he was going like this" and mimed wiping his mouth, a la George Michael. He didn't see the look I gave him, but his associate did. Wow. Just wow.
#47re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:16pm
Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Intolerance and ignorance seem to be at their peak today.
Last night, the GSA at my school made a presentation during a PTSO meeting. It sickens me to read about this crime after last night's hopeful speech.
"A little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing." - Thomas Jefferson
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#48re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:17pmguitar - what was the response to the speech?
#49re: Attack in Mass. Gay Bar
Posted: 2/2/06 at 3:40pmI'm a pretty snappy dresser, brd. Think slacker college kid meets 70s Castro hustler. That'll bring back some memories for some on the board...
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