In Monday's Washington Post, KARL ROVE

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/7/06 at 10:09pm

...falls to the bottom of the Washington food chain, as the jackals turn on his not-yet-dead corpse and feed off his not-yet-rotting flesh.

Snippet:

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Excerpts from the article written by Jim VandeHei:

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Additionally, one former government official said he testified that Rove talked with White House colleagues about the political importance of defending the pre-war intelligence and countering Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. It was Wilson who publicly accused Bush of twisting intelligence about Iraq's efforts to obtain nuclear material from Africa. The official refused to be named out of fear of angering Fitzgerald and the White House.

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One former aide, who would discuss internal White House discussion only if his name was not used, said Rove was intimately involved in the WMD fight and discussed various components of the plan at senior staff meetings and one-on-one strategy conversations.

The aide said Rove's message was that ``if there are no WMDs and some blame us, it will not be a pleasant election year.' The aide said Rove talked a lot about Wilson that week, but mostly about the fact he was a Democrat and needed to be rebutted.

Luskin, Rove's attorney, said Rove's focus was not on Wilson.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 8:00am

And here's the aritcle:

Another snippet:

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Fitzgerald is weighing Rove's foggy-memory defense against evidence he has acquired over nearly 2 1/2 years that shows Rove was very involved in White House efforts to beat back allegations that Bush twisted U.S. intelligence to justify the Iraq war, according to sources involved in the case.

That evidence includes details of a one-week period in July 2003 when Rove talked to two reporters about Plame and her CIA role, then reported the conversations back to high-level White House aides, according to sources in the case and information released by Fitzgerald as part of the ongoing leak investigation.

Additionally, one former government official said he testified that Rove talked with White House colleagues about the political importance of defending the prewar intelligence and countering Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. It was Wilson who accused Bush of twisting intelligence about Iraq's efforts to obtain nuclear material from Africa. The official refused to be named out of fear of angering Fitzgerald and the White House.

Robert Luskin, Rove's lawyer, responded that "just because Rove was involved in the defense of the White House Iraq policy, it does not follow that he was necessarily involved in some effort to discredit Wilson personally. Nor does it prove that there even was an effort to disclose Plame's identity in order to punish Wilson."

Rove expects to learn as soon as this month if he will be indicted -- or publicly cleared of wrongdoing -- for making false statements in the CIA leak case, according to sources close to the presidential adviser.

An indictment would be devastating to a White House already battered by low poll numbers, a staff shake-up and a stalled agenda. If Rove is cleared, however, it would allow Bush's longtime top aide to resume his central role as White House strategic guru without a legal threat hanging over him.
Rove's Time in Limbo Near End in CIA Leak Case

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 9:41am

since i wasn't around on the 6th...

PalJoey

Broadway Legend
joined: 3/11/04

re: MSNBC: ROVE TO BE INDICTED
Posted On: 4/21/06 at 04:59 PM

He's watching you, Karl. He's watching you.

RUMOR IS: "Fitzgerald will meet with the grand jury this Wednesday, April 26, to wrap up his case. He will give them the opportunity to ask any questions they want answers to, allow a few days for the FBI to follow-up on these questions, and the present indictments to be handed up by the grand jury in the first week of May, either May 3 or 5."

PapaLovesMambo--feel freee to cut-and-paste this paragraph on May 6 if it doesn't happen.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 9:59am

When Hamlet complained of the "law's delay," I don't think he was talking about TOM.

The indictment will be handed down soon enough. Maybe not soon enough for you, but I can wait.

Besides, each day Fitzgergathers more and more evidence with which he can indict Rove and Libby on the uinderlying charge. And, apparently, there are two SEALED INDICTMENTS: one for Bush and one for Cheney.

Because, as everyone in Washington knows, Bush ordered the sacrifice of Valerie Plame, Rove masterminded it and Cheney carried it out.

Meanwhile, the Republican hegemony disintegrates more and more each day.

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...Who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pang of despis'd love, THE LAW'S DELAY,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes;
When he himself might his Quietus make
With a bare bodkin?

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Hey, Karl. I've got a spare Bare Bodkin, in case you're looking to make your Quietus befgore the indictments are handed down.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 12:05pm

Here are some fun predictions--not mine but you can cut-and-paste them if the don't come true anyway:

* Rove will be indicted next week and the media will descend on the White House with righteous indignation.

* Republicans will break and run from Bush with bold and harsh criticism.

* Cheney will resign for reasons of health.

* Michael Hayden will be eviscerated during confirmation hearings to replace Porter Goss.

* Democrats will win the majority in November.

* Bush censure hearings will be held, which will lead to impeachment as the truth becomes known.

* Neo-cons will experience the living hell their self-delusion has wrought for them.

* Despite all of Bush's attempts to thwart accountability for his illegal actions and incompetence, America's system of checks and balances is stronger than his tyranny.

* God will bless America and those who serve it with integrity.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 12:12pm

Mmmmm, human evisceration, YUM.


oh and rover better be indicted on wednesday so i win the Pool. (i could really use a pool)

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 12:25pm

will be the sound of several posters' head popping when they get no fitzmas...again. eventually they'll be forced to stop dreaming of this imaginary soul who'll bring them the utter destruction of the gop. because like so much else, it'll turn out to be just wishful thinking.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 12:36pm

There is only one person bringing about the "utter destruction of the GOP" right now.

And his name is George W. Bush.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 9:06pm

MSNBC’s Shuster: ‘I Am Convinced Karl Rove Will Be Indicted’

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 9:53pm

Can I just say how much I love the phrase "disintegrating hegemony?" I like to say it again and again.

"Disintegrating hegemony."

"Disintegrating hegemony!"

"Disintegrating HEGEMONY!"

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 11:57pm

**PJ blushes**

Thank you, Namo. I take back every mean thing I ever said about you.

You can take that hegemony and run!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/8/06 at 11:59pm

I'd feel completely excluded if you didn't say mean things about me.

Disintigrating hegemony.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/9/06 at 12:28am

The only mean things I say about you are disparaging comments about your sexual proclivities. ("He puts the glory in gloryholes"--that kind of thing.)

But they're not really mean if they're true, are they?

(And it's "disintegrating" with an E, not "disintigrating" with an I...)

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/9/06 at 7:13am

MSNBC's David Schuster has a message for PapaLovesMambo:

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DAVID SHUSTER: Well, Karl Rove’s legal team has told me that they expect that a decision will come sometime in the next two weeks. And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted.

And there are a couple of reasons why. First of all, you don’t put somebody in front of a grand jury at the end of an investigation or for the fifth time, as Karl Rove testified a couple, a week and a half ago, unless you feel that’s your only chance of avoiding indictment. So in other words, the burden starts with Karl Rove to stop the charges.

Secondly, it’s now been 13 days since Rove testified. After testifying for three and a half hours, prosecutors refused to give him any indication that he was clear. He has not gotten any indication since then. And the lawyers that I’ve spoken with outside of this case say that if Rove had gotten himself out of the jam, he would have heard something by now.

And then the third issue is something we’ve talked about before. And that is, in the Scooter Libby indictment, Karl Rove was identified as ‘Official A.’ It’s the term that prosecutors use when they try to get around restrictions on naming somebody in an indictment.

We’ve looked through the records of Patrick Fitzgerald from when he was prosecuting cases in New York and from when he’s been US attorney in Chicago. And in every single investigation, whenever Fitzgerald has identified somebody as Official A, that person eventually gets indicted themselves, in every single investigation.

Will Karl Rove defy history in this particular case? I suppose anything is possible when you are dealing with a White House official. But the lawyers that I’ve been speaking with who know this stuff say, don’t bet on Karl Rove getting out of this.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/13/06 at 7:53am

um, pj, ol' fitzy's got a message for you: no indictment.