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James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans

James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans

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#1James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 9:29pm

Fascinating analysis in the Financial Times by the Democratic husband of the Republican wife.

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How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans

By James Carville

Published: August 14 2007 18:54 | Last updated: August 14 2007 18:54

There is an old joke that campaign veterans toss around war rooms, bars and BS sessions. We say there are people who have worked in campaigns who say that they have lost some – and we call those folks operatives, managers, strategists, consultants; and then there are people who work in campaigns and say that they have never lost, and we call them liars.

The joke reflects an obsession with winning as the real benchmark of success in politics. By that measure, Karl Rove’s career has to be deemed a success. He built the Republican party of Texas into one of the most powerful state parties in America.

Nationally he has pulled off some of the most unexpected and impressive victories of modern political history. (I will not be debating the 2000 election for the purposes of this article, but I also will not be crediting him with it, so let us just move on to the next cycle.)

Mr Rove picked up seats in what was an almost historically impossible context in 2002. Then in 2004, he engineered one of the most remarkable feats in American politics. He got Americans to re-elect a president who they really did not want to re-elect. Even the Republican defeat in 2006 was predictable and well within the range of historical norms so, by this sport’s standard of winning and losing, there is still no black mark on Rove’s record.

If we concluded our analysis in 2007 and confined our judgment merely to Mr Rove’s immediate electoral record, we would have no choice but to judge him a spectacular success. There is no doubt that Mr Rove won elections. He has perhaps one of the most remarkable win-percentages in modern American politics.

If only things were so neat and simple. The evidence is now pretty conclusive that Mr Rove may have lost more than just an election in 2006. He has lost an entire generation for the Republican party.

A late July poll for Democracy Corps, a non-profit polling company, shows that a generic Democratic presidential candidate now wins voters under 30 years old by 32 percentage points. The Republican lead among younger white non-college-educated men, who supported President George W. Bush by a margin of 19 percentage points three years ago, has shrunk to 2 percentage points. Ideological divisions between the Republican party and young voters are growing. Young voters generally favour larger government providing more services, 68 per cent to 28 per cent. On every issue, from the budget to national security, young voters responded overwhelmingly that Democrats would do a better job in government.

It is not just Democracy Corps that has found this. A host of new polls and surveys over the course of the past few months has served as a harbinger of a rocky 2008 election for Republicans.

The March poll from the Pew Research Center showed that 50 per cent of Americans identify as Democrats while only 35 per cent say they are Republican. The June NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed 52 per cent of Americans would prefer a Democratic president while only 31 per cent would support a Republican, the largest gap in the 20-year history of the survey.

Mr Rove’s famous electoral strategy – focusing on the Republican base first – is also largely responsible for a shift in international public opinion against the US. It would not be fair to blame Mr Rove for the Iraq war. But it is clearly fair to blame his strategy for the Terry Schiavo fiasco and the Republicans’ adherence to the policies and doctrines of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and James Dobson. The world and now most of the US are contemptuous of the theocratic underpinnings of the policy Mr Rove ushered into government.

There is also a distinction to be made between Karl Rove the political strategist and Karl Rove the government official. Mr Rove was not just an operative sitting at the Republican National Committee and scheming. He had a West Wing office. This distinguishes him from other political operatives, whose roles were outside the White House doing scheduling, advance work and presentation. They were not firing and hiring or shaping national security policy.

Mr Rove was as powerful a government figure as he was a campaign figure. The past six and a half years of Mr Rove’s career were spent as a very, very senior and extraordinarily influential Bush administration official.

He has been assistant to the president, senior advisor and deputy chief of staff. Mr Rove was the architect of social security reform, immigration, the hiring and firing of justice department officials and the placement of literally thousands of ideologically driven buffoons throughout the US government. As deputy chief of staff he was also responsible for handling the White House post-Katrina reconstruction efforts. On these actions, history has already rendered its judgment on Mr Rove. And, as we say in Louisiana, “it ain’t pretty”.

When it comes to judging Mr Rove’s political career, I am reminded of Chinese premier Zhou Enlai’s meeting with Henry Kissinger in the 1970s, when Mr Kissinger asked, “What do you think of the French Revolution?” Zhou replied: “It’s too soon to tell.”

If the trends hold, the one thing that we can be sure of is that Mr Rove’s political grave will receive no lack of irrigation from future Republicans.

The writer is an international political consultant, founder of Democracy Corps, and is working on a new book whose tentative title is The Lost Generation: How the Democrats can Capitalize on the Current Problems of the Republican Party. He was chief strategist for Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign
James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans


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#2re: James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 9:54pm

Fascinating read, thanks for that as I would never have seen it otherwise. To be honest, I haven't read anything printed on pink newsprint since The Advocate dumped The Pink Pages.


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#2RDS: Rove Derangement Syndrome
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:06pm

That's an awfully long cut and paste.

But, it is liberally biased, so it will be permitted to stand.


If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.

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#3James Carville: How Karl Rove Lost a Generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:10pm

Thanks for posting that PJ...I'd much rather read Carville than listen to him speak.


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Updated On: 8/14/07 at 10:10 PM

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#4James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:12pm

Don't you wonder what his wife said about that over the dinner table...?


FindingNamo
#5James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:17pm

I doubt they talk. I think they just have nasty sex.


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#6James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:18pm

Think of the pillow talk afterwards!


"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett

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#7James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:23pm

I doubt there's pillow talk. Probably revulsion-driven silence after separate showers during which they are nagged by a Lady MacBeth-like sense that they just CAN'T get clean.


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#8James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:35pm

Apparently, they have a bizarrely good marriage, held together, as both have said often in interviews, by "a good sense of humor and good sex."


FindingNamo
#9James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:37pm

The less conventionally handsome the man (or, the uglier, if you will), the more likely he is to refine his skills in the sexual arena.


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#10RDS: Rove Derangement Syndrome
Posted: 8/14/07 at 10:51pm

I am begging the Daily Kos to link.

Then, there is a possibility you guys will get on O'Reilly as "Most Ridiculous Item of the Day."


If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.

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#11James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:17pm

I guess it doesn't hurt that he's hung.


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#12James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:21pm

I guess you would know.


If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.

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#13James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:28pm

KARL and DARBY

James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans

JAMES and MARY

James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans

Politics makes strange bedfellows.


"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett

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#14James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:35pm

Karl had tinymeat, made almost invisible by rolls and rolls of abdominal fat.

James is 100% Cajun--and you know what they say about Cajuns...


FindingNamo
#15James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:45pm

Not to mention the women who complained of James's unfortunate propensity to whip it out for show.

Mary needs to re-think Lesbian Haircut #3.


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#16James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:50pm

That's an old picture. She's totally Anorexic Chic now.


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#17James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:52pm

Picky, Picky, Picky...PJ!

From April 2007!

James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans


"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett

FindingNamo
#18James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:53pm

Still very The L Word.


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#19James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:54pm

strange double post.


"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett
Updated On: 8/14/07 at 11:54 PM

FindingNamo
#20James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:56pm

Can't you picture her with dangly dancing women earrings and lavender and pink silk high-waters twirling at the Michigan Women's Music Festival? Come on, can't you?


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#21James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:56pm

Well I never said, "Mama--Mary's a pretty girl," did I?

Of course she's had work done! Wouldn't you?


FindingNamo
#22James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:57pm

And it's quality work. If she really loved him, she would've loaned her surgeon to James.


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#23James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:58pm

Darby is anorexic?

FindingNamo
#24James Carville: How Karl Rove lost a generation of Republicans
Posted: 8/14/07 at 11:59pm

It's not what Darby and Karl are eating, it's what's eating them.


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