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#1http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:09pmPlease forward the subject URL to everyone in your address book. Some bitter female colleagues of mine have joined ranks with the PUMA operatives.
#2re: http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:19pm
That's what is so idiotic about McCain's choice. It was desperate and Hillary and Sarah have NOTHING in common. Will his choice reach out to anyone other than his own base?
Politico is suggesting Hillary wanted something other than the VP and the only way she could get it was if Obama becomes President. Speculate away!
Mamie
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#2re: http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:31pmThe mere fact that there are women out there who would vote for this person simply because she is a woman does more to solidify that glass ceiling than anything I could think of. The fact that she was chosen by a party that would go to any means to maintain the status quo is insulting enough. Knowing that some women who actually professed some allegance to Hillary Clinton and are now willing to vote for this ticket is the ultimate insult to our intelligence. They make me ashamed.
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JohnBoy2
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#3re: http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:40pmI've already said this in another thread, but I really do not think that McCain was going for the Hillary vote. That makes no sense, given his choice. You have to recall that McCain was not a universally popular Republican choice. I think he went for the Huckabee vote, except that Huckabee wouldn't have knocked Obama out of the news on Friday, and Palin did. She brings him the Huckabee vote. Whether or not that enough to beat Obama, remains to be seen. It certainly doesn't seem likely, but November is ages away, in political terms.
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Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:47pmI agree with Johnboy on this. I just hope I'm not underestimating the amount of votes she'll draw from formerly disinterested friends-of-Huckabee.
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Posted: 8/30/08 at 5:56pm
"I think he went for the Huckabee vote, except that Huckabee wouldn't have knocked Obama out of the news on Friday, and Palin did. She brings him the Huckabee vote."
ergo, my labeling her Huckabee in Chanel in another post.
also, we should never overlook the large evangelical base in the Old South that vehemently opposes the Dems stance on same-sex marriage and abortion. On paper, she appears to be a flyweight but the move to add her to the ticket is not to be taken lightly.
There's a reason the late Jesse Helms from my home state of NC remained in the US Senate for what seemed like eternity.
one final item missing from the discussion about Palin is how she effectively takes Libertarian Bob Barr and Ralph Nadar out of play. Barr was one of the first to call for Bill's impeachment while still a Republican and many down south were giving him a second glance to McCain's chagrin. Nadar will always have his loyal following but the GOP pr juggernaut is in full force. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are all on message now.
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#6re: http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 6:09pm
"The mere fact that there are women out there who would vote for this person simply because she is a woman does more to solidify that glass ceiling than anything I could think of."
What about Obama? Change women to African-Americans and the exact same thing can be said for him. Yet he is the nominee...
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#7re: http://www.sarahpalinisnthillaryclinton.com/
Posted: 8/30/08 at 6:13pm
“In an interview with Alaska Business Monthly shortly after she took office in 2007, Palin was asked about the upcoming surge. She said she hadn't thought about it. "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq,"
Spectacular!
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Posted: 8/30/08 at 6:57pm
I get what you're saying, Midnight. But it's not really the same.
A good reason for a woman to vote for Hillary would be, not just because she's a woman, but because a) you agree with her positions, AND b) her positions are in line with women's issues like the right to choose, AND in addition to those two things c) she's a woman. Palin, on the other hand, holds positions that are generally not considered to be in line with women's issues. So to vote for her, DESPITE her positions, just because she's a woman, is what's ridiculous.
The same argument can be made of blacks and Obama. Dems' positions generally favor minorities, while GOP positions generally favor rich white men, with the theory/lie that if they do well, it will eventually trickle down to the poor and minorities. So a high percentage of blacks vote for him because he's a Dem. If he were a Repub, I bet he wouldn't have nearly the same support from the black community.
Of course, all things being equal, as in the primaries, I would pick the candidate that fell more in line with who I am. But in the case of Palin, in the general, all things are not equal. And it's important to note that during the first half of the primary, Hillary had the black vote.
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Posted: 8/31/08 at 1:33am
"What about Obama? Change women to African-Americans and the exact same thing can be said for him. Yet he is the nominee..."
The late Shirley Chisholm, Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun never gained the popular support of the AfAm community at the national level. Jesse Jackson, Sr did but never gained traction outside his base. Many were slow to warm to Obama as well at the start of the primary run, including former supporters of Jackson and Sharpton. Iowa made the difference in the political fortunes of Obama. Obama is a transcendent candidate which is a large part of his appeal to voters.
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Posted: 8/31/08 at 3:00am
Not to mention that Obama undoubtedly has the interests of the African American community at heart because the Democratic community does. It's not really comparable. Sarah Palin is prolife and she supports a candidate who says sexist things all the time and voted against equal pay legislation. She clearly does not support the ideals of progressive women.
Johnboy, Mrs. Palin made an explicit call to the Hillary voters at the end of her acceptance speech. Obviously there are other reasons she is an appealing veep candidate, but the fact that she is a woman and may appeal to independents and Hillary voters did not go unnoticed and is a significant reason for her being picked. McCain wasn't doing that bad with Republicans before he picked her. Pawlenty would've been a popular choice as well and he puts a "swing" state in play.
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