Sweeney Question

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:34pm

Sorry about all the Sweeney threads...

*spoilers* How does Sweeney know that the beggar woman is Lucie? Does he pull her out of the oven or what happens?

[chinkie azn jai]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:36pm

In the dvd, the body is on the floor, and sweeney sees her. She looks at her and then screams because he now knows that he killed his wife.

[Broadway Matt]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:37pm

[insert wrong answer]

BW Matt needs to do his Sweeney homework...

Updated On: 11/2/04 at 05:37 PM

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:40pm

No, he throws in lovette AFTER that's why he does it. Because she lied to him. He never actually sees her close up for the entire play, but when he bends down to drag her into the oven, Mrs. lovette screams at him not to and he sees her face. He remembers her saying "Don't I know you" and he realizes what he did. The audience knows because when she goes into the apartment she starts doing the same pantomine that the young Lucy did in the flashback. If that made any sense I'll be surprised.

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:41pm

Hmmm, on the original recording he and Mrs. Lovett are singing together and he realizes that it's her then they sing a little more then he chucks him into the oven.

So basically he notices her face in light of the oven fire?

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:43pm

No. He sings with Lovette after he knows.

TODD: Leave them to me. Open the doors.
(He starts to shove her toward the oven)
MRS. LOVETT (Clutching the BEGGAR WOMAN 's wrists): No! Don't touch her!
TODD (Pushing her to the oven doors and leaning down to pick up the BEGGAR WOMAN) : What is the matter with you? It's only some meddling old beggar — (MRS. LOVETT opens the oven doors and the light from the fire illuminates the BEGGAR WOMAN 's face. A chord of music as TODD realizes who she is) Oh no, Oh God . . . "Don't I know you?" she said . . . (Looks up) You knew she lived. From the first moment that I walked into your shop you knew my Lucy lived!
MRS. LOVETT: I was only thinking of you!
TODD (Looking down again, sings):
Lucy. . .
MRS. LOVETT: Your Lucy! A crazy hag picking bones and rotten spuds out of alley ash-cans! Would you have wanted to know that was all that was left of her?
TODD (Slowly looking up): You lied to me.
MRS. LOVETT (Sings):
No, no, not lied at all.
No, I never lied.
TODD ( To the BEGGAR WOMAN):
Lucy...
MRS. LOVETT:
Said she took the poison — she did —
Never said that she died —
Poor thing,
She lived —
TODD:
I've come home again . . .
MRS. LOVETT:
But it left her weak in the head,
All she did for months was just lie there in bed —
TODD:
Lucy. . .
MRS. LOVETT:
Should've been in hospital,
Wound up in Bedlam instead,
Poor thing!
TODD:
Oh, my God . . .
MRS. LOVETT:
Better you should think she was dead.
Yes, I lied 'cos I love you!
TODD:
Lucy...
MRS. LOVETT:
I'd be twice the wife she was!
I love you!
TODD:
What have I done?...
MRS. LOVETT:
Could that thing have cared for you
Like me?
(TODD rises, soft and smiling; takes a step away in panic. Waltz music starts)
TODD:
Mrs. Lovett,
You're a bloody wonder,
Eminently practical and yet
Appropriate as always.
As you've said repeatedly,
There's little point in dwelling on the past.
TODD:
MRS. LOVETT:
Do you mean it?
Everything I did I swear
I thought
Was only for the best,
Believe me!
Can we still be
Married?
No, come here, my love ..
Not a thing to fear,
My love . . .
What's dead
Is dead.
(TODD puts his arm around her waist; she starts to relax in her babbling, and they sway to the waltz, her arms around his neck)
TODD:
The history of the world, my pet —
MRS. LOVETT:
Oh, Mr. Todd,
Ooh, Mr. Todd,
Leave it to me .. .
TODD:
Is learn forgiveness and try to forget.
MRS. LOVETT:
By the sea, Mr. Todd,
We'll be comfy-cozy,
By the sea, Mr. Todd,
Where there's no one nosy ...
(He waltzes her closer to the oven)
TODD:
And life is for the alive, my dear,
So let's keep living it — !
BOTH:
Just keep living it,
Really living it — !
(He flings her into the oven. She screams. He slams the doors behind her. Black smoke belches forth. The music booms like an earthquake. TODD, gasping, sinks to his knees by the oven doors. Then he rises, moves back to the BEGGAR WOMAN and kneels, cradling her head in his arms)

[GovernorSlaton]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:46pm

Well, she had been crouching whenever she talked to him before, so when he finally got a good look at her, he recognized her. He screams for a bit, Mrs. Lovett tries to calm him down, and he starts singing to the tune of A Little Priest. With a very creepy look on his face. Mrs. Lovett is a bit apprehensive, as she sings By the Sea at a rapid pace in between Sweeney's part. They begin to dance, and on the third "Really LIVING IT!" Sweeney hurls her into the oven and slams the door.

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:47pm

Is any of this making sense? Just watch the DVD, you'll be glad you did.

[Broadway Matt]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:48pm

ahh I'm so embarrassed!! rookie mistake Broadway Matt!

Updated On: 11/2/04 at 05:48 PM

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:50pm

We forgive you Matt, for being so awesome in other ways.

[Broadway Matt]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:50pm

aww thanks mum.

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 5:53pm

You're welcome!

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 6:08pm

Oh, that's my favorite part! The "Little Priest" (reprise)!!! I love it! So perfectly placed! I LOVE Sondheim!!! Just thought I'd coment...

[lovettespies]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 6:11pm

It's creepy if the actor playing Sweeney does it right and switches from mourning into a cheerful reprise that is masking a vengful and violent motive, then back to mournful when he has burned Lovette to a crisp.

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 10:52pm

Ah, see I was confused because I thought he put her (aka, beggar woman) in the oven to kill her. Thats why I was confused, how does he kill her? his razor? I didn't hear the whistle it was just a loud (and beautiful) 5 second rendition of Johanna.

[GovernorSlaton]

Posted: 11/2/04 at 11:20pm

Sweeney kills the Beggar Woman by cutting her throat with his razor. She had come into his shop looking for the Beadle, and remembered that this was her husband's shop. She begins to do the movements that Young Lucy did during the beginning of Poor Thing. Sweeney appears, and as the Judge climbs the stairs, Sweeney realizes she could blow the whole thing. She mutters, "Don't I, know you, mister,...", And as the Judge is about to enter, He cuts her throat and drops her down to the bakehouse.

Thanks Beav. School was fine. :)