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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Mar 20
2019, 11:34:45 PM
Yes, I’m back! I get re-interested in solving this one every few months. No real news, but, GavestonPS, I did receive some messages like yours that suggest it’s not Kernan. So that lead has dried up, I suppose.
I’d say I’d give this one up, as Niles Silvers here suggested, but (as noted) the interest comes back every few months. For God knows what reason, I’d love to solve it.
Thanks as always, everyone.
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jan 5
2019, 12:22:30 PM
jpbran said: "Have you asked Shazam or Siri yet? (dumb, but honest question) "
But a fair question nonetheless, and, yes, I and others have tried it.
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jan 5
2019, 12:20:51 PM
Niles Silvers said: "Just about everyone connected with this production passed away years ago, including the music director and arranger. The producer is deceased, and the production company, Palomar Pictures is defunct. The only person still alive that would possibly have knowledge of what you seek, besides Michael Caine,is sound engineer Graham V. Hartstone (uncredited).If you have IMDbPro, it might list agent contact information for this individual, and you could write him a nice
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jan 5
2019, 12:19:29 PM
GavestonPS said: "Nalkarj said: "Sorry just to pop up to bump this one silly thread, but someone on IMDb v2.0 found a promising lead—David Kernan, who sang Berlin, Coward, Sondheim, and Porter both on Broadway and the West End.
If anyone here knows of him, could you please tell me if he’s a likely choice? I tried asking at the Theatre Board devonian.t recommended, unfortunately to no avail.
Thanks!"
I know Kernan's voice well from SIDE BY SIDE BY SONDHEIM, live on Broadway several times and countless playings of the OLCR. I can't say that he couldn't imitate the Rudy Vallee-style voice on the SLEUTH recording, but his normal voice has more vibrato in it. Check out "I Remember" in SIDE BY SIDE (available to sample on iTunes) for a comparison.
Al Bowlly's voice--judging from the links in this thread--is much brighter than the SLEUTH singer. But again, I don't know that he couldn't alter his singing style. If Jane Horrock ofLITTLE VOICE can sound so authentically Garland, etc., then almost anybody might have done the SLEUTH numbers.
I also listened to some samplingof Rudy Vallee himself, even though I feel sure someone else would have identified him if he were the singer in SLEUTH. Vallee comes closer than the two singers I reference above, but his voice is lower, in range and in timbre; the SLEUTH singer goes to what sounds almost like a falsetto effortlessly, but with Vallee the effort on the high notes definitely shows."
Thanks!
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jan 2
2019, 09:57:43 PM
Call me crazy, but I'm still searchin', still to no avail...
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Oct 1
2018, 02:18:05 PM
Thanks, Niles. I also love a good mystery, which is how I got involved in this silly thing. I’ve also found it intriguing how there seem to be absolutely no record on this person, and how every source comes up blank. (IMDb Pro, or whatever it’s called, lists the caterer and the script girl, but not the singer!)
I’m sure it’s an arrangement with a professional singer as well, but that singer had to sing something else in his career, right? When Michael
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Oct 1
2018, 07:29:59 AM
Niles Silvers said: "A possible lead would be to get in contact with Ben Mankiewicz, (TCM), Joseph's nephew.. Whoever it is, it does sound like a contemporary recording by someone imitating Leo Reisman's style. David Kernan may be a good guess, as he was active in films at that time, often in uncredited roles. The voices are similar."
I did reach out to Mankiewicz; he never got back to me, unfortunately. Thanks, though!
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Sep 29
2018, 10:12:14 PM
Sorry just to pop up to bump this one silly thread, but someone on IMDb v2.0 found a promising lead—David Kernan, who sang Berlin, Coward, Sondheim, and Porter both on Broadway and the West End.
If anyone here knows of him, could you please tell me if he’s a likely choice? I tried asking at the Theatre Board devonian.t recommended, unfortunately to no avail.
Thanks!
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jul 24
2018, 02:17:04 PM
devonian.t said: "Have you tried asking athttp://theatreboard.co.uk?
There used to be quite a few people who specialized in Noel Coward-style renditions of Cole Porter classics- Peter Skellern springs to mind as the kind of person who used to do this.
The egg-heads at theatreboard may well remember- I think a West End or cabaret artist is most likely.
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devonian.t, I asked there right after responding to you here, but unfortunately no one there has responded (and I did try bumping it as well). Thanks for the lead, though!
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jul 10
2018, 09:25:00 PM
Cat Guy said: "Here is ten years of a forum dating back to 2006 asking the same question. Perhaps you participated? The general consensus seems to be: dunno. One suggestion is that Michael Caine was the singer.
http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/forum/displayquestion.php?topicid=7598
Thanks, Cat Guy. I’m the second-to-last poster there. (The earliest Internet post I’ve found of this was ’99.)
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Re: Cole Porter in Sleuth (1972) Jul 10
2018, 08:25:59 PM
Oh, definitely put me down as another Bowlly fan. :) And the voice is very close to Bowlly, but for the reasons I wrote above (5/14/18), I don’t think the Sleuth songs are from an authentic ‘30s recording. At the beginning of the search, I e-mailed to a music professor who told me that the recording doesn’t sound to him like ’30s—the sound quality is too good, for lack of a better term.
Which is, I suppose, why I asked here—someone sug
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Re: Jul 10
2018, 02:15:19 PM
Thanks, devonian.t!
I’ll try there.
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Re: Jul 10
2018, 01:25:59 PM
Bump, I suppose…
There’s no Broadway or West End singer it sounds like?
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Re: May 14
2018, 10:18:08 AM
They sound very old, yes, but every expert to whom I’ve spoken assures me that they’re convincing studio fakes (I can pull up all the reasons from an old e-mail, but I remember one of them being that the sound is too good for a ’30s recording. The style, including a snare drum, is also off). Someone else tried discogs before I started looking into the mystery, to no avail. Thanks for helping, though! :)
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Cole Porter in “Sleuth” May 14
2018, 07:31:45 AM
Nearly everyone associated with the production—the composer, the arranger, the director, producer, et al.—is deceased, unfortunately. The one crew member still living whom I was able to contact had no idea, and the only other person is Michael Caine. I’ve not been able to contact him, of course, but even if I did I doubt he’d know.
What’s curious to me is that no one knows the singer’s voice. Even if he were a studio singer, he would have ha
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Cole Porter in “Sleuth” (1972) May 13
2018, 10:50:43 PM
Hi everyone,
Hope you’re all doing well. I’m not sure if this is the right place for this post, but I think it works best.
For several months now I’ve been embroiled in a search for the identity of the singer who sings three Cole Porter songs (“Just One of Those Things,” “You Do Something to Me,” and “Anything Goes&rdquo in the movie Sleuth (1972). Here’s a link to a clip of Laurence Olivier’s character dancing to the tunes. I’ve become this involved in the mystery because it has been going around the Internet for at least fifteen or twenty years (there was a post on the old IMDb Boards asking for it from right before the millennium), yet still no one has ever been able to figure out the singer’s identity. It’s a real head-scratcher.
Anyway, I’m asking here because several Internet sleuths (pun intended, of course) have told me that it’s probably a studio reproduction of a ’30s singer. A music professor with whom I e-mailed back and forth informed me that there are a number of features in the recording that hint at the songs’ being recorded in the ’70s, when the movie was made. Needless to say, there’s no information on IMDb or anywhere around the Internet about this—nor, of course, in the movie’s credits. (The single music credit reads, “Words and music by Cole Porter,” with an asterisk to “by arrangement with Warner Bros. Publishing.” I’ve reached out to Warner Bros. several times and received no reply.)
It’s entirely possible that the Sleuth production team worked with someone from the theatre, either Broadway or the West End (it was filmed in the U.K. with English actors), especially as it was based on a Tony-winning play. (The scene is not in the play.)
Does anyone here recognize the voice or know a possible candidate for the singer? I know it’s a minuscule thing, but it would be a great relief to everyone who has searched for the singer over the years, especially those of us searching now on IMDb v2.0!
Best,
Nalkarj
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