#1
Posted: 6/28/08 at 1:04am
It is on now om ABC. Sorry for those on the East Coast.
Interesting.
Interesting.
20/20 on Transgender Children
#2
Posted: 6/28/08 at 1:53am
What's it about for us Non-West Coasters?
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#3
Posted: 6/28/08 at 2:07am
It's about a rerun: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3088298&page=1
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#4
Posted: 6/28/08 at 2:13am
I had not seen it last year, but it highlighted three different children, two biological boys who were girls, and one girl who was a boy.
The parents were generally amazing, and while some of them took time to accept the situation, they all seemed to embrace and support their kids.
The youngest child identified was 6 - and she began as early as age 2 to state that her parts did not match her person. I found her parents to be nothing short of amazing. The 11 year old's parents had a harder time, but realized that their son was really their daughter, and have also supported her. The 17 year old did not tell his parents that he was really a boy until he was 14, and that family seemed to have the hardest time with it.
All of the kids are bright, thoughtful and very clear on who they are and what they wanted.
The parents were generally amazing, and while some of them took time to accept the situation, they all seemed to embrace and support their kids.
The youngest child identified was 6 - and she began as early as age 2 to state that her parts did not match her person. I found her parents to be nothing short of amazing. The 11 year old's parents had a harder time, but realized that their son was really their daughter, and have also supported her. The 17 year old did not tell his parents that he was really a boy until he was 14, and that family seemed to have the hardest time with it.
All of the kids are bright, thoughtful and very clear on who they are and what they wanted.
#5
Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:00am
What an interesting show! The boy was at a more mature age and was able to deal with it better, I guess. He seemed to have such a good head on his shoulders. The 7 year old was such a beautiful child. Her parents seemed to accept it so early that she may have an easier transition into adolescence. I don't know. My heart absolutely broke for the ten year old. When that little shy smile broke out when Barbara told her she was beautiful, I wanted to cry. I think as a kid we take it for granted. Even unattractive little girls are told they are beautiful. I don't think she had heard it enough. Then when she broke down in Barbara's arms, I did cry. That poor child. 10 is the beginning of that horrible awkward age for a child who doesn't have gender identity issues. I can't imagine what she will go through. They were about to start hormone treatment, so hopefully it will get better. The videos of her being so visibly upset on Christmas or birthdays when she was given boy toys were hard to watch.
It really makes you think. I can't imagine feeling as if you were born into the wrong gender, especially at the age of two. I really enjoyed watching it.
It really makes you think. I can't imagine feeling as if you were born into the wrong gender, especially at the age of two. I really enjoyed watching it.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#6
Posted: 6/28/08 at 12:02pm
I know it sounds funny, but I was almost jealous of the 7 year old parents - they were just amazing, and I agree, the unconditional love they gave their daughter will make it easier for her.
The one of the 10 year old was heartbreaking - they were doing what they thought was right, and it was pushing the child farther and farther into herself.
All of the parents, when you consider what they went through (along with the kids) were pretty amazing - I doubt my mom or dad would have been so accepting if I was "different" in that way. Hell, if I am sure there would have been an initial freak out (they already were freaking out because I played softball and tennis, and was a tomboy). If I had said to them "I am really a boy" I am not quite sure what they would have done. My dad would probably have dealt better with it than my mom.
Anyway, back on track, the 7 year old was adorable, and if I had not know she was a biological boy, I would have never known. She has a hard road ahead, but with that family, perhaps it will be a bit easier than the 10 year old. That child is already in need of some therapy for her anger issues, which may only get worse.
It really was an interesting program.
The one of the 10 year old was heartbreaking - they were doing what they thought was right, and it was pushing the child farther and farther into herself.
All of the parents, when you consider what they went through (along with the kids) were pretty amazing - I doubt my mom or dad would have been so accepting if I was "different" in that way. Hell, if I am sure there would have been an initial freak out (they already were freaking out because I played softball and tennis, and was a tomboy). If I had said to them "I am really a boy" I am not quite sure what they would have done. My dad would probably have dealt better with it than my mom.
Anyway, back on track, the 7 year old was adorable, and if I had not know she was a biological boy, I would have never known. She has a hard road ahead, but with that family, perhaps it will be a bit easier than the 10 year old. That child is already in need of some therapy for her anger issues, which may only get worse.
It really was an interesting program.
#7
Posted: 6/29/08 at 1:32am
I saw this. And though I do find it interesting I do have one problem with it. I was talking to someone who is works in the feald of psyco analysis. And, she was saying that there were peopel who she had heard stories at confrences about how people found out that their son or daughter was gay or lesbian. And some were open minded enough to embrace it and didn't change a thing. Some were so open minded that it didn't bother them one bit if their son or daughter was gay or lesbian and when they came out they just shurged it off as no big deal (ais I feel should be what happens more often) and there were others who thought that it was a choice. She said that her take on the issue is that there is apoint in our lives when if we are straight we start to njotice girls and notice that they are beautiful and that we are attracted to them. If someone is homosexual they have the same realization towards people of their same sex and that it sin't a choice and that it is as natural as being straight. I agree with her on that. But, it is hard to figure out what you are until you reach the age of when you like the other gender or the same gender.
That said, I think that most of the kids being interviewed are too young to know. As the doctor I was talking to was saying that you reach an age when you just know that your into girls or into boys and that if your homosexual yuour just into the same gender as yourself.
That said, I think that most of the kids being interviewed are too young to know. As the doctor I was talking to was saying that you reach an age when you just know that your into girls or into boys and that if your homosexual yuour just into the same gender as yourself.
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#8
Posted: 6/29/08 at 1:42am
Watching the show, I firmly believe these children knew that they were the wrong gender. It has nothing to do with sexual preference. When a 2 year old child has nail clippers, and asks how to cut off his penis because it does not belong on his body, it seems pretty persuasive to me.
Based upon your comments, I doubt you actually saw the broadcast.
Based upon your comments, I doubt you actually saw the broadcast.
#9
Posted: 6/29/08 at 1:48am
No, I did see the Broadcast. Your right that it has nothing to do with orentation. I do volunteer work at an LGBT center in a VERY VERY conservitive area. The people that work there love me because they love the fact that I am straight in and work there. They always tell me that they wish that they would see more people interacting regardless of orentation however they realize that where they are located it isn't going to happen and they enjoy seeing someone who is local willing to go against the fray of the community for what they feel is right.
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#10
Posted: 6/29/08 at 1:55am
Well, that is nice, but what does that have to do with your previous comments. I am glad you volunteer, and more people should.
It seems like you were making an argument that these kids really did not know what they wanted, when it seemed apparent that they in fact were positive that they were in the wrong bodies.
This was much more basic than sexual attraction, which is basic enough to begin with.
It seems like you were making an argument that these kids really did not know what they wanted, when it seemed apparent that they in fact were positive that they were in the wrong bodies.
This was much more basic than sexual attraction, which is basic enough to begin with.
#11
Posted: 6/29/08 at 2:06am
The point that I was trying to make is that I have seen kids the same age as those in the 20/20 episode who thought that they were in the wrong bodies. However, due to their young age some of the therapists on staff were telling me that they thought that they were confused when it came to that felt that they were too young to understand the difference and to understand what it was they were saying and what choice they were making. Not to say that they were wrong in any mannor. Just that they were to young to mentally grasp what it was they were talking about.
"If you try to shag my husband while I am still alive, I will shove the art of motorcycle maintenance up your rancid little Cu**. That's a good dear"
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#12
Posted: 6/29/08 at 2:17am
OK. That is not what came across in your post.
That is why gender-change processes are not permitted until someone is at least 18.
It would be interesting to see what those therapists said about those specific kids featured on the episode.
That is why gender-change processes are not permitted until someone is at least 18.
It would be interesting to see what those therapists said about those specific kids featured on the episode.
#13
Posted: 6/29/08 at 2:41am
I would NEVER allow my child to have a sex change. Once they're out of my house, whatever. Otherwise, I think it's child abuse.
#14
Posted: 6/29/08 at 5:12pm
You want it when, I should have been more clear and for that I am sorry.
One thing that I was wondering is I know that they don't allow a sex change to anyone that is under 18. However, what does it say about doing it if the child is under 18 but has parental consent?
Fanpires, Really? You consider a child getting a sex change child abuse? Sure dumping your kid in a dumpster because you don't want to be a parent is something I would consider as child abuse. However, if your child wants to have a sex change and you as a parent are okay with that and want to help out. More power to you. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing in that situation and there is nothing that would count as abuse going on in that situation either.
One thing that I was wondering is I know that they don't allow a sex change to anyone that is under 18. However, what does it say about doing it if the child is under 18 but has parental consent?
Fanpires, Really? You consider a child getting a sex change child abuse? Sure dumping your kid in a dumpster because you don't want to be a parent is something I would consider as child abuse. However, if your child wants to have a sex change and you as a parent are okay with that and want to help out. More power to you. There is nothing wrong with what they are doing in that situation and there is nothing that would count as abuse going on in that situation either.
"If you try to shag my husband while I am still alive, I will shove the art of motorcycle maintenance up your rancid little Cu**. That's a good dear"
Tom Stoppard's Rock N Roll
#15
Posted: 6/29/08 at 9:56pm
Saw this awhile ago very interesting
#16
Posted: 6/29/08 at 10:42pm
Winston, I was under the impression that even with parental consent, you have to be 18. But, I have not checked the state laws on the rules.
#17
Posted: 6/30/08 at 2:46pm
My gosh, I can't even imagine the decisions these parents are forced to make, especially concerning puberty. If they choose hormone therapy it sounds irreversable, which is scary.
Also, since it is classified as a "disorder", is there a possibilty of a "cure", and is a cure even desirable? Or could a sex-change operation be considered the cure?
Also, since it is classified as a "disorder", is there a possibilty of a "cure", and is a cure even desirable? Or could a sex-change operation be considered the cure?
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