A Conservative View of Gay Marriage- Page 2

[grownupgroupie]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 12:43am

My gay friends (and......dare I say, *dodging the flames*, Mary Cheney??) would say that their homosexuality is just a part of who God made them to be.

To that end, it's similar to race. I didn't choose to be a straight white girl. Mary Cheney didn't choose to be a gay white girl. (And she certainly didn't choose Satan, Prince of Darkness to be her dad! Oh no, did I just go there??.....)

But my point is--it seems to me the ones arguing that homosexuality is a CHOICE are.....straight. i.e. not gay. So, really, how could they know such a thing with certainty? There are obviously cases where because of socialization in childhood, abuse in some cases, someone will feel compelled to be same-sex attracted, but all of my gay friends--and let's be honest, I'm an actor and I live in Hell's Kitchen, there are quite a few of them--knew in their bones that this was who they were from a VERY young age. Like, the playground.

And--as I saw on another thread today--can't religion be considered a choice? And if it's a choice, why shouldn't homosexuality be just as protected under the law as religion, creed, race, whathaveyou?

eta...Goodnight! I'm going to bed. Have enjoyed the mostly-civil intellectual discourse, kiddies. Updated On: 11/10/04 at 12:43 AM

[Unknown User]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 6:18am

LAS VEGAS (AP) — It's splitsville in Sin City. Hotel heiress Nicky Hilton and New York businessman Todd Andrew Meister have officially ended their brief marriage.

A Las Vegas judge on Tuesday granted the newlyweds an annulment, according to a joint statement issued by the couple's representatives.

"Both parties have ended the marriage amicably, and they remain good friends," the statement said.

Hilton, 21, married Meister, 33, at the Las Vegas Wedding Chapel on Aug. 15.
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How silly of me not to bow down and acquiesce to the obviously superior moral stance of the majority of society.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 6:39am

"Nobody says you have to believe it. But I've told you things that are going to happen in the future whether you believe it or not." - Gothampc

Goth - You made this statement during a discussion on the Iraq situation, referencing your world-view based on your Christian belief system. Obviously, there's no real point in having this type of discussion (that involves that same world-view of yours) when you simply dismiss all those who don't share your perspective.
Updated On: 11/10/04 at 06:39 AM

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 7:33am

If anyone has not yet been to the other thread


Please do

[Unknown User]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 7:45am

jacob - while there are certainly Republicans that base their opinions on Christian dogma, it is not limited to them - and I seriously feel that that is the divide we're confronting here, religious versus secular.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 8:06am

I love it when ONE PERSON make a blanket statement about what AMERICA wants. It's true about the 13 states that voted against gay marriage. The last time I checked, there were 50 states, so 13 is HARDLY a majority. And there is that one little state that LEGALIZED gay marriage. As long as there is ONE STATE that legalizes gay marriage, then any statement like "America does not want gay marriage" is a bold-faced LIE. If America truly did not want it, then it wouldn't have happened and we would never be having this discussion. The fact is, the tide is turning on a WORLDWIDE level and the conservatives are scared out of their wits. Change is scary, but banning equal rights is far scarier in the long run.

[Pip]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 9:20am

I'm with Margo that this is culturally acceptable bigotry like racism was culturally acceptable bigotry in the past. Those with an oppressive position always tend to justify it with Bible verses, platitudes, fear of change, and "the majority can't be wrong" but ultimately oppression of a segment of the population for traits over which they have no control just can't pass the "is it right or is it wrong" test. I consider myself to be a fair, patient and tolerant person and I've honestly tried to understand a position that believes that "allowing" marriage between same-sex people will contribute to the fall of society as we know it...and it just doesn't wash. I will never marry a woman, have kids and play the game according to the "rules" of society. I am apparently already an "indicator" of the downfall of society because there is a gene pool that is going to go untapped here regardless of whether the majority allows me to enter a legal relationship with another man or not. It makes absolutely no difference so why do we need to further alienate people who already will endure a life of being treated like factory seconds? The majority does not have a corner on "right" only "might" and, given time, I believe that the majority gradually get used to a more tolerant perspective.

[AbsolutKnight]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 9:28am

"The symbol for the Rebuplican Party is a fat white guy who is scared of change" - The Family Guy

hehe I always loved that quote...

I personally think that gay people just just start getting married and stop calling themselves Partners. I hate that word. The government doesnt say we can't get married, it just wont recognize it. And there are churches that will marry gay people. When I meet the right man I will Marry him whether the government says it is ok or not.

[AReinkingfan]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 9:32am

To all of my gay amd lesbian BWW friends, and those heterosexuals who are ever supportive...I thank you and hug you for your continual support.

As a 36 year old woman who has been with her partner now for over 10 years, I continue to give those who believe that I am a sinner and a demon, the big middle finger by continuing to live my happy, loving, domestic life with the love of my life, regardless of what descriminatory, so-called "laws" are passed.

The beauty (yes, there is!) of living in New Jersey, is that they passed a law here this year that will allow my partner and I to register as Domestic Partners. We intend to do so as we will take whatever legal protection that we can get. Will this stop us should this right be taken away? (i.e. gay marriage in San Francisco) HELL NO!! We intend to live and love together, and eventually raise some beautiful children together in a happy, healthy, loving home.

I will NOT be dragged down by those who continue to persecute my gay community/family. I will continue to educate those who are willing to crawl out of their ignorance, and ignore those who refuse to listen.

I was raised in a VERY conservative family, where my parents to this day, refuse to meet my partner. Their INCREDIBLE loss.

I cannot for one minute think of how my legal marriage to my partner would destroy any "sanctity of marriage", but rather ENHANCE it! We have been together longer than most heterosexual couples we know, and we have endured pure Hell together, and have overcome in the end, still very much in love. If the law protects those who make a mockery of marriage (i.e. Brittany Spears, Nicky Hilton, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor, just for names of people you will recognize, although there are many NON celebs as well), just because they are heterosexual, then we live in a mighty confused world - don't you think? Isn't there something very ironic going on here?

What seems more like a sanctified marriage? My 10+ year partnership with the same person in a loving, committed relationship, or Nicky Hilton in a 3 month romp?

Fight for what is truly right...freedom, and equality.

Power to the people!!

Updated On: 11/10/04 at 09:32 AM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 11/10/04 at 10:24am

First off JohnPopa...thanks for that post.

Goth..I think I've said this several times before but I'm not really interested in what your opinion on gay marriage is. It's the fact that you are trying to impose your beliefs on others that bothers me. In this country, we're supposed to have freedom of religion and seperation of church and state. What if my religious beliefs don't view homosexuality as a sin? But no matter how many times this is brought up you refuse to address this issue and go back to complaining of the left calling you a bigot and not letting you express your view...