A Conservative View of Gay Marriage — Page 2

My gay friends (and......dare I say, *dodging the flames*, Mary Cheney??) would say that their homosexuality is just a part of who God made them to be.

To that end, it's similar to race. I didn't choose to be a straight white girl. Mary Cheney didn't choose to be a gay white girl. (And she certainly didn't choose Satan, Prince of Darkness to be her dad! Oh no, did I just go there??.....)

But my point is--it seems to me the ones arguing that homosexuality is a CHOICE are.....straight. i.e. not gay. So, really, how could they know such a thing with certainty? There are obviously cases where because of socialization in childhood, abuse in some cases, someone will feel compelled to be same-sex attracted, but all of my gay friends--and let's be honest, I'm an actor and I live in Hell's Kitchen, there are quite a few of them--knew in their bones that this was who they were from a VERY young age. Like, the playground.

And--as I saw on another thread today--can't religion be considered a choice? And if it's a choice, why shouldn't homosexuality be just as protected under the law as religion, creed, race, whathaveyou?

eta...Goodnight! I'm going to bed. Have enjoyed the mostly-civil intellectual discourse, kiddies.

Updated On: 11/10/04 at 12:43 AM

"Nobody says you have to believe it. But I've told you things that are going to happen in the future whether you believe it or not." - Gothampc

Goth - You made this statement during a discussion on the Iraq situation, referencing your world-view based on your Christian belief system. Obviously, there's no real point in having this type of discussion (that involves that same world-view of yours) when you simply dismiss all those who don't share your perspective.

Updated On: 11/10/04 at 06:39 AM

jacob - while there are certainly Republicans that base their opinions on Christian dogma, it is not limited to them - and I seriously feel that that is the divide we're confronting here, religious versus secular.

I'm with Margo that this is culturally acceptable bigotry like racism was culturally acceptable bigotry in the past. Those with an oppressive position always tend to justify it with Bible verses, platitudes, fear of change, and "the majority can't be wrong" but ultimately oppression of a segment of the population for traits over which they have no control just can't pass the "is it right or is it wrong" test. I consider myself to be a fair, patient and tolerant person and I've honestly tried to understand a position that believes that "allowing" marriage between same-sex people will contribute to the fall of society as we know it...and it just doesn't wash. I will never marry a woman, have kids and play the game according to the "rules" of society. I am apparently already an "indicator" of the downfall of society because there is a gene pool that is going to go untapped here regardless of whether the majority allows me to enter a legal relationship with another man or not. It makes absolutely no difference so why do we need to further alienate people who already will endure a life of being treated like factory seconds? The majority does not have a corner on "right" only "might" and, given time, I believe that the majority gradually get used to a more tolerant perspective.

To all of my gay amd lesbian BWW friends, and those heterosexuals who are ever supportive...I thank you and hug you for your continual support.

As a 36 year old woman who has been with her partner now for over 10 years, I continue to give those who believe that I am a sinner and a demon, the big middle finger by continuing to live my happy, loving, domestic life with the love of my life, regardless of what descriminatory, so-called "laws" are passed.

The beauty (yes, there is!) of living in New Jersey, is that they passed a law here this year that will allow my partner and I to register as Domestic Partners. We intend to do so as we will take whatever legal protection that we can get. Will this stop us should this right be taken away? (i.e. gay marriage in San Francisco) HELL NO!! We intend to live and love together, and eventually raise some beautiful children together in a happy, healthy, loving home.

I will NOT be dragged down by those who continue to persecute my gay community/family. I will continue to educate those who are willing to crawl out of their ignorance, and ignore those who refuse to listen.

I was raised in a VERY conservative family, where my parents to this day, refuse to meet my partner. Their INCREDIBLE loss.

I cannot for one minute think of how my legal marriage to my partner would destroy any "sanctity of marriage", but rather ENHANCE it! We have been together longer than most heterosexual couples we know, and we have endured pure Hell together, and have overcome in the end, still very much in love. If the law protects those who make a mockery of marriage (i.e. Brittany Spears, Nicky Hilton, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor, just for names of people you will recognize, although there are many NON celebs as well), just because they are heterosexual, then we live in a mighty confused world - don't you think? Isn't there something very ironic going on here?

What seems more like a sanctified marriage? My 10+ year partnership with the same person in a loving, committed relationship, or Nicky Hilton in a 3 month romp?

Fight for what is truly right...freedom, and equality.

Power to the people!!

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Updated On: 11/10/04 at 09:32 AM