Aesop to the Right: Why I Believe Bristol Palin

[artscallion]

Posted: 8/13/12 at 7:28am

Please read this insightful article by gay playwright/blogger, Wayne Self as he explores what's really going on with the Chick-Fil-A drama and all those Christians, like Bristol Palin, who say, "But I don't hate gays."

It's long and you may not think you agree at first. But stick through it to the end. I think it really gives us a much needed change in perspective on those standing in the way of our rights.
Aesop to the Right: Why I Believe Bristol Palin

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/13/12 at 7:41am

Thanks for that, artscallion. I was worth the long(-ish) read.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 8/13/12 at 12:02pm

Great article. The supremacist angle is very interesting.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 8/13/12 at 10:11pm

Yes, indeed. Beautifully set out.

Unfortunately, the Bristol Palins of the world will never read it, but it may help those of us who do to have a new way to approach the argument.

[bethnor]

Posted: 8/14/12 at 12:50am

Unfortunately, the Bristol Palins of the world will never read it, but it may help those of us who do to have a new way to approach the argument.

there is no new way to approach the argument. i'm very sorry. this mode of thinking from the right is actually as old as the inquisition. remember the justification then. no less is at stake than your immortal soul. they wouldn't be your friend if they let you live in sin. that was the exact argument used by priests as they clamped "sinners" in the "boots" (a contraption that was designed to crush the feet of its victims). they will love you to death, if they have to.

there is a simple reason why this argument can never be "won" and it is futile to try. there could be a loving, caring god that looks after you and wishes you the best in life. alternatively, god could be a giant limp-wristed tranny queen, and this life is a test, with only the most flaming being allowed to sit at his right side, and those who have won a tony in a musical will be elevated to archangels. or, god could be a grumpy old white male frothing at the mouth saying that marriage should be between men and women, while occasionally retreating to a heavenly bathroom stall to be blown by a demigod twink.

the evidence for each of these propositions is the same. exactly zero.

religion is inherently divisive precisely because its claims cannot be verified. they have no proof that god hates gays, and you have no proof that he loves them. religion will not be the friend of the LGBT community in the foreseeable future. the best we can hope for is to use secular law to force them to leave us alone.

Updated On: 8/14/12 at 12:50 AM

[artscallion]

Posted: 8/14/12 at 7:37am

I see your point, Bethnor. But it's not the priests with boots, or the Westboro folks that we need a new approach for. You're right. We'll never argue away religious fanaticism, no matter the approach.

It's for the non-fanatical people of faith who become part of the Chik-Fil-A backlashes...you know, the women who are reasonable enough to use birth control, but get mad at us when we call them haters for defending marriage.

These are the ones we really need on our side to make changes.