At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#1At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 8:25pm
I suppose this might depend upon the parties involved but at what point does the line between legitimate discussion and observation cross into the realm of bias/prejudice/racism.
On some boards if someone posted a thread title like the Caucus of Caucasians with almost anything other than Caucasian used they'd have others jumping all over them.
How is it possible to discussion issues pertaining largely to certain groups without getting accused (e.g. violence in the black community)?
#2At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:08pmHi YAWPER. Since that was MY post, I will answer. This was strictly a "play on words" on my part It popped into my mind as "funny". NEVER did any racism/prejudice/bias enter my mind. Sometimes funny words are just funny words. I'm sorry that you may have interpreted my post any other way. Just word play. Just a catch phrase. The.actual content of my post was "about" the boring nature of the media coverage.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#2At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:14pm
Tiny, baby, it was funny.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#3At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:24pmBasically, the dominant culture just needs to find the ability to take it like a man and stop whining. Don't worry, caucasians are still in control, and we don't need to take it personally when somebody makes fun of us. And, yes, as the saying goes, 8 more white people in Iowa like Mitt Romney than the number of white people who like Rick Santorum. So all is white in the world.
#4At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:31pm
I just hate when jokes have to be explained..but thanks Phyl baby! and Namo. (I'm sure Yawper has a sense of humour.)
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#5At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:37pmI'm not so sure about that, but the thread is young and rife with possibility!
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#6At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:40pmI wasn't offended by the thread title but it jumped out at me because I just got into it on another board. The discussion was about issues in the City of Detroit. My question was about why the city has such a high violent crime rate, far surpassing other large cities that are demographically similar, and why city residents weren't as outraged about that as they are about the potential of the state imposing an Emergency Financial Manager on the city.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#7At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:45pm
I dunno. I don't follow Detroit politics close enough to rate the residents on the outrage scale.
You realize that tiny's thread was about the Republican Caucus, right?
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#8At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 9:54pm
Yes, I do, but if a similar thread were posted about something Jewish, black, gay, etc. it probably wouldn't be considered as acceptable - that is what popped into my head because of the double standard, just like it seems to be ok to call out anti-Semites or white racists but heaven help you if you try to call out black racists or Jewish bigots.
Updated On: 1/4/12 at 09:54 PM
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#10At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 10:03pm
Yawper, it's not okay to pile onto blacks, gays or Jewish people because they are IN THE MINORITY and kept under the thumb of the majority in power, which in this case is white. To refer to the circus last night as an Iowa Caucasoid Caucus is funny and accurate. Very different from making a joke that kicks the underdogs.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#11At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 10:07pmThis thread is racist.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#12At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 10:08pmDon't call me the w-word!!!
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#13At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 10:20pm
Namo, that's not true everywhere - it entirely depends upon the context. The City of Detroit has been majority black with blacks in control for decades. Now it's deteriorated to the point that even the black middle class has been moving out. The city is on the verge of bankruptcy. The state has the legal power to impose a financial manager in an effort to avoid bankruptcy (i.e. to HELP) but there are those in the city who have started throwing around "slavery", "plantation", and other bull****. I don't know what they think is going to happen if the city ends up in a judge's hands instead of a financial manager's.
Updated On: 1/4/12 at 10:20 PM
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#14At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 11:25pmI was talking about the United States, and yes, in the United States the caucasians are the majority. The culture of the United States, the systemic racism and classism of the United States, is what allows a Detroit to die, a New Orleans to drown.
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#15At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/4/12 at 11:43pm
I agree with that but it sure doesn't help this area short term.
BTW the things I've been reading about NYPD, how the city was cleaned up and some of the strong arm tactics that have been used - that's the type of stuff that led to Detroit's 1967 riots. Maybe NYPD can get away with it because the minority population there hasn't reached a tipping point yet.
I suspect, actually already see some indications that, gentrification and the luring of immigrants are going to be used to weaken the aggressive black separatist influence here.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#16At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 12:22amDude. "Aggressive Black Separatist Influence"? Gentrification is what causes historically under-served communities to circle the wagons.
#17At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 12:40am
OK - I've been out for a coupla hours. I'm hi-jacking this thread! "DETROIT BLUES" - Diana Krall and Vince Benedetti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0XljFDHBHU
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#18At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 12:41am
Not in this case - they even turn on blacks they deem "too white". It's a very real group that aggressively works against anything "not black enough". I'm not kidding. There's even a "black slate" political agenda they've developed and promote. The "Call 'Em Out" Coalition presents "Sambo Awards" every year. There's another group called BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) that's instigated disturbances at various times. If they just stuck to peaceful demonstrations it wouldn't be an issue.
Everyone walks on eggshells around these whack job groups. None of the groups ever present solutions to the problems the city is facing, they just demand what they want and expect to get it. As I posted earlier - even the middle class blacks have had enough and are moving out of the city.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#19At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 1:46amThat's what By Any Means Necessary MEANS.
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#20At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 2:11am
and what's it going to gain them when they alienate even those on whose behalf they claim to be fighting?
jail time? bullet? now that's useful [/sarcasm]
Updated On: 1/5/12 at 02:11 AM
#21At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 2:22am
Just finished MIchael Moore's new book, "Here Comes Trouble". Great! You should read it.
Read some of the comments on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Trouble-Stories-Life/dp/044653224X
Updated On: 1/5/12 at 02:22 AM
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#22At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 8:22am
already on the wait list at the library for it
In Bowling for Columbine Moore brought up a point that directly coincides with what I was asking on the other board: Windsor, Ontario is just across the river from Detroit - only about a mile away. People bounce back and forth between the two nations all the time (tho' not quite as much since 9/11 thanks to the beefed up presence of GWB's border nazis). It used to be like crossing the street to go to lunch at your neighbor's. Yet Windsor has had years without a single homicide while Detroit has one of the highest murder rates in the nation. Why?
It isn't just gun laws because there are areas with higher gun possession levels than Detroit that don't have problems. There are also areas that have equally entrenched poverty.
Is there a strong "no snitch" culture in other cities?
Updated On: 1/5/12 at 08:22 AM
#23At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/5/12 at 10:18amSo basically what you're saying is, real estate is cheap in Detroit? I'd buy now.
Yawper
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/13/04
#24At what point does one cross the line into bias in a discussion?
Posted: 1/6/12 at 2:47pm
some real estate is dirt cheap in Detroit, depends upon what you want
one major problem is that if you leave a residence vacant for more than a couple of days anything that has any scrap value will be gone when you get back - many houses are quickly stripped right down to the studwork, exterior siding and any special architectural elements will be gone, and you'll pay more to refurbish than you did to purchase
also throw in a 14% property tax rate
and don't depend on the police showing up timely, if ever...not even if you call 9-1-1
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