Boy, 4, Dies After Riding Epcot Ride @ Walt Disney World — Page 2
#27
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:28pm
Well, god knows we need to blame SOMEBODY - because, you know, things like ACCIDENTS aren't supposed to happen! In spite of all the precautions, if something like this occurs it has to be someone's FAULT! We live in America, dammit, where things are guaranteed - even life itself.
#28
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:29pm
Namo, certainly everyone shares some responsibility, but surely you can't be suggesting this was some form of criminal negligence on Disney's part. Again, parental responsibility does come into play here, people need to know not to put their children on certain rides.
I, for one, know of MANY rides in Disney that my child (should I ever be fortunate enough to have one) will not ride until they are beyond the minimum requirements.
For the remainder of that time, Snow WHite and Peter Pan ad nauseum it is.
I, for one, know of MANY rides in Disney that my child (should I ever be fortunate enough to have one) will not ride until they are beyond the minimum requirements.
For the remainder of that time, Snow WHite and Peter Pan ad nauseum it is.
#29
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:31pm
Hey Bway..I LOVE Peter Pan's flight!
It's a Small World..talk about ad nauseum..
#30
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:33pm
"I, for one, know of MANY rides in Disney that my child (should I ever be fortunate enough to have one) will not ride until they are beyond the minimum requirements."
Yes, because Disney is the American Mecca and you, like many, have been there many times. Let's say this woman hadn't been. Let's say she knew her kid met the height requirements.
I just think it's interesting that more people are siding with the "mother's responsibility" argument rather than the constant need of theme parks to manufacture more and more dangerous thrill rides. Let's face it, Walt would HATE the rides that are capable of making people sick and that they are in his parks.
But, most people want to side with the happiest place on earth, and the only way to do that is to blame the mother who went to all the expense of taking her son to Disney World so she could kill him.
Yes, because Disney is the American Mecca and you, like many, have been there many times. Let's say this woman hadn't been. Let's say she knew her kid met the height requirements.
I just think it's interesting that more people are siding with the "mother's responsibility" argument rather than the constant need of theme parks to manufacture more and more dangerous thrill rides. Let's face it, Walt would HATE the rides that are capable of making people sick and that they are in his parks.
But, most people want to side with the happiest place on earth, and the only way to do that is to blame the mother who went to all the expense of taking her son to Disney World so she could kill him.
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#31
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:34pm
Hee. We went on the "Small World" ride in Disney land about 7 times in a row. But I'm not much of a roller coaster girl, so it's not like I was pining for some stomach-churning ride.
#32
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:34pm
It's not the mother's fault and it's not Disney's fault. It's no one's fault. It was an accident.
However, the mother was irresponsible in taking the child onto the ride. Again, my heart goes out to her, but she shouldn't have brought him onto the ride.
If she dismissed the warning signs, then I do partly blame her. The signs are there for a reason. Just because it is a Disney theme park doesn't mean everything is for children.
However, the mother was irresponsible in taking the child onto the ride. Again, my heart goes out to her, but she shouldn't have brought him onto the ride.
If she dismissed the warning signs, then I do partly blame her. The signs are there for a reason. Just because it is a Disney theme park doesn't mean everything is for children.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
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#33
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:38pm
Agreed, Capn. Disney makes it no secret that Mission:Space is by FAR the most intense attraction at the world. That is ALL you hear as you are in the queue line. There is NO way I would take a child younger than 12 or 13 on this attraction..let alone 4! Goodness...
#34
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:39pm
I was just athis ride last week. And the signs do say there is a height requirement and they also have the disclaimers about high blood pressure, heart condiotions, back conditions, etc..
Even with all that.. I had no idea what I was in store for. In my opinion. this is a stupid ride that just makes one sick to their stomach and makes one feel like they have been hit by a truck when you are done. They should just close it down.
Even with all that.. I had no idea what I was in store for. In my opinion. this is a stupid ride that just makes one sick to their stomach and makes one feel like they have been hit by a truck when you are done. They should just close it down.
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#35
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:39pm
That inceident Namo's talking about happened about four days before I went to Six Flags... I rememer seeing the SuperMan ride roped off with police tape. The next time I went (a month later) the tape was gone, and the ride was running, but the cars were empty because no one was allowed on it. It was a man who was paralized from the waist down and wasn't able to stay in the car... Six Flags was definatly to blame for that one... no matter how much that man insisted, he should not have been allowed on the ride. But, we all know if he wasn't, there would be a huge law suit against Six Flags by the Americans with Disablities Act. I think the SuperMan ride has more warnings on it than any other ride in the park. It's the fastest roller coaster in N.E. and for them to let him on the ride was very irresponsible.
EDIT: holy crap. I agree with Namo
EDIT: holy crap. I agree with Namo
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Updated On: 6/14/05 at 12:39 PM
#36
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:42pm
Namo, I think people tend to think that if fair warning is given...well, fair warning has been given. Has this ride produced anything more than serious nausea before? How long has it been around? Regardless, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to take a preschooler onto a ride that has warnings for people with heart conditions, etc.
To me, this doesn't even seem like a blame situation. But why pass up the chance to fight about something?
To me, this doesn't even seem like a blame situation. But why pass up the chance to fight about something?
#37
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:42pm
Namo - I'm not siding with anyone. It was an ACCIDENT.
Fine - let's say the mother has never been there before. Let's say she thinks Disney only has safe rides.
"For safety you should be in good health, and free from high blood pressure, heart, back or neck problems, motion sickness or other conditions that can be aggravated by this adventure."
That is warning sign #1. From all the text signs, symbol signs, and audio warnings, I wouldn't bring a 4 year old onto the ride.
I think Walt wouldn't mind this ride. It's an educational experience - knowing how it feels to be in space.
Again, it's an accident. It's no one's fault. Disney is partly to blame, the mother is partly to blame, and the child's health is partly to blame.
But, most people want to side with the mother because it's a tragedy and her son died. Noooooo - her son died - she isn't at all to blame. She is totally innocent.
Fine - let's say the mother has never been there before. Let's say she thinks Disney only has safe rides.
"For safety you should be in good health, and free from high blood pressure, heart, back or neck problems, motion sickness or other conditions that can be aggravated by this adventure."
That is warning sign #1. From all the text signs, symbol signs, and audio warnings, I wouldn't bring a 4 year old onto the ride.
I think Walt wouldn't mind this ride. It's an educational experience - knowing how it feels to be in space.
Again, it's an accident. It's no one's fault. Disney is partly to blame, the mother is partly to blame, and the child's health is partly to blame.
But, most people want to side with the mother because it's a tragedy and her son died. Noooooo - her son died - she isn't at all to blame. She is totally innocent.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
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#38
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:45pm
I am still baffled by the fact that the hospital is called Celebration Hospital. I have yet to meet someone who makes a celebration out of visiting a hospital.
And I had read a few years back how this need for thrill rides to be more and more "thrilling" was going to start creating rides that are more and more dangerous for the general public. I hadn't heard about this ride, but as someone who has never been to Disney (I know, the horror!!!), I would've never thought such a thrill ride would exist in their park. Six Flags or Paramount? Yes. Not Disney. It just doesn't fit that image in my mind.
And I had read a few years back how this need for thrill rides to be more and more "thrilling" was going to start creating rides that are more and more dangerous for the general public. I hadn't heard about this ride, but as someone who has never been to Disney (I know, the horror!!!), I would've never thought such a thrill ride would exist in their park. Six Flags or Paramount? Yes. Not Disney. It just doesn't fit that image in my mind.
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#39
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:47pm
"I have yet to meet someone who makes a celebration out of visiting a hospital."
You haven't met your mother? Surely it was a celebration the day you were born, and when thousands of other mothers give birth at the hospital.
But I agree - a poor name. But the city is called "Celebration" so what else would they name it?
You haven't met your mother? Surely it was a celebration the day you were born, and when thousands of other mothers give birth at the hospital.
But I agree - a poor name. But the city is called "Celebration" so what else would they name it?
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
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#40
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:50pm
Disney's a theme park like any other, and in order to compete on that level it needs thrill rides. Even with its name, it wouldn't last long if all its rides were like "Small World."
ETA- I have the sudden urge to play Roller Coaster Tycoon. I'm a bad, bad person.
ETA- I have the sudden urge to play Roller Coaster Tycoon. I'm a bad, bad person.
Updated On: 6/14/05 at 12:50 PM
#41
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:51pm
I think at the time, considering I weighed in at almost 11#s and she's 4'9", it wasn't much of a celebration.
Ok... so I rephrase that to say that with the exception of mothers...
Ok... so I rephrase that to say that with the exception of mothers...
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#42
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:51pm
I always thought they should rename it
DEADLY LAND!
Such a shame that a family vacation turned into disaster.
DEADLY LAND!
Such a shame that a family vacation turned into disaster.
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#43
Posted: 6/14/05 at 12:52pm
That's my only problem here. Namo, you make it sound as if we're all siding with the "Big Corporation." nothing could be further from the truth, but for God's sake, just because you walk into a place doesn't mean everyone else there is involved for your safety.
A 4-year old child should NOT be taken on a thrill ride of ANY kind. I'll say that. They should make bans on rides based on age as well as height. I'll pass judgment on parents who make stupid decisions later.
There, ya happy?
I'll reiterate the issue at hand here: this was an accident. Certainly, Disney did not set out to design a ride to kill our nation's elderly or extremely young, but neither did this mother bring her child onto the ride expecting him to have a heart attack.
A 4-year old child should NOT be taken on a thrill ride of ANY kind. I'll say that. They should make bans on rides based on age as well as height. I'll pass judgment on parents who make stupid decisions later.
There, ya happy?
I'll reiterate the issue at hand here: this was an accident. Certainly, Disney did not set out to design a ride to kill our nation's elderly or extremely young, but neither did this mother bring her child onto the ride expecting him to have a heart attack.
#44
Posted: 6/14/05 at 1:53pm
I have to agree with Namo that Disney was never about "intensity". I thought Space Mountain was about as risky as it should get. I was actually shocked when I did the Alien Encounter. I loved it, but I thought it was much too frightening for children, which I always thought was the real target for Disney in the first place. It was just so out of place. It seemed like something that really belonged at Universal Studios.
Six Flags and Paramount and other such parks are designed for thrills, the Disney parks were not. I understand that it was a strategic move on their part to bring in more American tourists when competing with parks with multiple locations, cheaper admission and higher thrills, but it seems they lost sight of their purpose. I don't see the educational value in a ride that has so many warnings half the guests can't experience it. What do they learn? How to vomit in a bag.
I always loved the Disney parks, but I noticed a huge change during my last visit in 1995 when many attractions had changed to be more stimulating and less educational (The Communicores and Journey to Imagination) and most of the new attractions were the same motion simulators with different films. It was disappointing. I've been wanting to go back to Disneyworld, but I'm so afraid of being disappointed.
Six Flags and Paramount and other such parks are designed for thrills, the Disney parks were not. I understand that it was a strategic move on their part to bring in more American tourists when competing with parks with multiple locations, cheaper admission and higher thrills, but it seems they lost sight of their purpose. I don't see the educational value in a ride that has so many warnings half the guests can't experience it. What do they learn? How to vomit in a bag.
I always loved the Disney parks, but I noticed a huge change during my last visit in 1995 when many attractions had changed to be more stimulating and less educational (The Communicores and Journey to Imagination) and most of the new attractions were the same motion simulators with different films. It was disappointing. I've been wanting to go back to Disneyworld, but I'm so afraid of being disappointed.
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#45
Posted: 6/14/05 at 2:08pm
Oh please. Disney just added many new attractions for kids: Mickey's Philarmonic, Cinderella's Celebration, the Pooh ride, etc.
There's plenty of rides to take up an entire day for children.
Disney added thrill rides because of poor attendance. In order to attract new audiences, they have to offer something new. It's a business. The rides are still there for the kids, let the grown-ups have their fun, too.
Walt Disney invented the theme park. It was a different time then. Times have changed. Culture is different. A dime no longer buys you a hamburger.
There's plenty of rides to take up an entire day for children.
Disney added thrill rides because of poor attendance. In order to attract new audiences, they have to offer something new. It's a business. The rides are still there for the kids, let the grown-ups have their fun, too.
Walt Disney invented the theme park. It was a different time then. Times have changed. Culture is different. A dime no longer buys you a hamburger.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
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#46
Posted: 6/14/05 at 2:13pm
This is terrible... but anytime you go on a ride of this or any nature there is a serious risk, and an even bigger risk if you're four years old. I do feel terrible for his family.
And Mister Matt, Alien Encounter scared the living SH*T out of me as a seven year old. I wasn't able to sleep for a week and I shook for days. We thought it was the line to the whole little rockets that fly around. Nope... we got Alien Encounter, wrong ride.
No wonder I stuck with 'It's a Small World' ever since...
And Mister Matt, Alien Encounter scared the living SH*T out of me as a seven year old. I wasn't able to sleep for a week and I shook for days. We thought it was the line to the whole little rockets that fly around. Nope... we got Alien Encounter, wrong ride.
No wonder I stuck with 'It's a Small World' ever since...
#47
Posted: 6/14/05 at 2:52pm
I know why Disney added thrill rides. I already said that. The thing is, Disney has new audiences virtually every year, since the parks were designed for children. Thrill rides have existed long before Disney or theme parks of any kind. Disney was never a "thrill park" and thrived for over 30 years without the need for extreme thrills or intensity. I do admit that Disney's new thrill rides are far superior in presentation, but people never went to Disney to ride something that was intense. It's like going to a zoo hoping to wrestle live alligators.
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#48
Posted: 6/14/05 at 3:00pm
Alien encounter was closed and revamped to be a Stich themed ride. It was still a little scary for kids. AND NO WARNINGS ANYWHERE.
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#49
Posted: 6/14/05 at 3:01pm
I remember something similar happening to a little girl who went on Body Wars, but she had a pre-existing heart condition. Havingn said that, I know Body Wars is one of those rides that makes no secret of the fact that certain people (ESPECIALLY those with heart conditions) should not ride it. But hell, nobody ever went broke underestimating people's stupidity...
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#50
Posted: 6/14/05 at 3:13pm
I might be beating a dead horse here, but I think that Disney is the LEAST to blame. They pasted those warning signs up there, as they do with almost every other ride. It's the rider's fault if they disregard these warning labels because they're so used to seeing them. The boy could've very well had health problems, but because visitors tend to quickly go on the ride, ignoring these warning labels, the boy's health problem may have been overlooked.
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