Cheney out, Rudy in?

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 12:35am

I heard a mere glimmer of a half-rumor tonight, but could Giuliani be the secret weapon? Cheney stepping down, for health reasons, then the most popular Republican in the country, post 9-11, moving in to replace him? Dems have been reverential around Rudy for 2 1/2 years; could that glow stick? I've long wondered if the Bushies would have to dump Dick to project their regime past 2008. This would pave the way for a Rudy vs. Hill showdown, delayed in NY State, next time around.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 12:48am

Then Hillary better get in the game! She should be (Kerry's?) VP!!

[Gothampc]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 8:14am

I don't believe Bush would accept Guiliani. Guiliani is too strong of a personality to work under Bush. There will be too much friction in that pairing.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 8:21am

It all comes down to how vulnerable the Republicans feel...if they feel threatened, I think they'd consider going to Rudy, and deal with the consequences later. I've said all along that I don't think that Cheney will be on the ticket. They're going to use the VP spot to draw the undecided or those who have doubts about Bush back to the fold.

[MasterLcZ]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 9:29am

If they don't go with Cheney they won't choose Rudy.
They'll choose Powell.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 9:31am

much as i would love to see rudy g. on the ticket, it ain't gonna happen. slick dick knows where all the bodies are buried because it was his shovel used for the digging. he has absolutely no intention of stepping down and letting someone else have that #2 spot.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 10:26am

Do you think George W. couldd really run with Powell? I think he's too liberal for him, and was too much a dissenting vote in the drum beat before Iraq, no matter what his public personna presented.

ifitfloat: sorry, I seemed to have ripped off two of your astute observations, the one about impotent Gore, and here Bush dumping Dick. I shouldn't post after midnight -- I must be in plagirism mode. Consider my ruminations very respectful homage to stuff I read earlier.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 10:51am

Powell will not run for office. There are skeletons in his families closet that he does not want exposed to the public scrutiny that a national election would bring to light.

Guiliani and Bush do have some friction. I remember during the first campaign, it took the party to convince Rudy to tour with GW in NYS. He initially had reservations, but he did it for the good of the party.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:13am

(OT: I keep spelling Rudy's name wrong. Because I'm confused. Anyone else here speak a little italiano? Any spelling with GUI first always suggests "GWEE--" to me, as in "Guido." Italian for Guy, or "I drive..." We don't say "GEW-DO," right? So for Rudy's name, I mistakenly put the I after the G, to give the G the J sound, standard Italian pronunciation. Think "Pino Grigio." (GREE-JO, not GREE-JEE-OH, by the way.) If it's G-u-i, then his name has been Americanized, right? Can GUI translate into GEW-LEE-AN--EE? But then, in this country, we say "Bru-SHET-UH" when it's really "Bru-SKET-uh." SCH in italian is always a "sk" sound. And in Jersey, folks eat "MOOO-ZA-RELL" cheese, too.)

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:16am

you had it right in your first post, giuliani

Updated On: 1/28/04 at 11:16 AM

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:18am

Thanks, Papa. So I was right, at the top of this thread. Then everyone corrected me.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:27am

auggie, auggie, auggie...you're gonna trust them commies? hell, son, they wanted it mispelled on porpoise, it's a bottle nosed conspiracy! and i've had too much coffee.

[bwaylyric]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:31am

Rudy might be the desperate choice, but I doubt it would happen. He's got his eye on the Senate race vs Hillary...or maybe the NY governorship. If Bush wins, I don't think we'll see Powell as VP or Sec of State. How about Condi Rice as Bush's veep?

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 11:35am

I agree that Condoleezza (sp?) Rice is a strong possibility.

I'm not a fan.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 1:06pm

Condi! Yikes! What a thought! Our own answer to Margaret Thatcher!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 1:12pm

no, our own answer to margaret thatcher was jean kirkpatrick and i still harbor a grudge towards reagan for not making her his vp candidate in '84.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 1:20pm

No argument, Papa. Speaking of JK, I'd pay money to see one photograph of La Kirkpatrick with a smile. Not that a smile is qualification for high office ... but what a humorless group. They make Maddie Albright seem like ... Kristen Chenoweth.

I've wondered if Condi might run for office some day. I doubt it. Can you see her pressing the flesh, kissing babies? She makes Judy S. Dean, media star (yawn) of last week -- I mean, last Sunday -- I mean, last Sunday morning ... look like ... Idina Menzel.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 1:31pm

i think this is as close as it gets...

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 1:37pm

Whoa, she looks damned cheerful there. Like she just uttered a pithy prognostication.

As always, Papa, you are a font of info.

[tpdc]

Posted: 1/28/04 at 2:35pm

Do you think Rudy can run the country better than Dick does from his undisclosed safe location? And how about that world tour he is on to see the Iraq war?

[logan30]

Posted: 1/29/04 at 4:37pm

Hell will freeze over before you ever see the name Rudy Guiliani on a Republican national ticket. And there are three reasons why:

Abortion rights
Gun control
Gay and lesbian rights

He supports all three.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 1/29/04 at 6:08pm

Re Rice as VP, put aside all negative feelings you have for her. It would be a political master stroke on GWB's part . Nominating a woman & an african american besides. He is doing so many things against his belief's ( immigration & prescription drugs etc ) nothing is out of play here. He is trying to broaden his base. He is being given bad advice as he will not win over any converts but he will lose a lot of his core support. 2 wildcards are Nader & Dean

If Nader runs, he splits the vote again. If Dean runs as an independent, the same thing happens. If both run, GWB will definitely win.

By the way, if he (GWB) thought it would help him get reelected, Rudy would be in in a heartbeat & principles be dammed. Nothing old GWB surprises me anymore

We shall see.

Updated On: 1/29/04 at 06:08 PM

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/29/04 at 9:07pm

Roxy, I think your thoughts are sound on all points. And things are being revealed, day by day: I believe the Bush camp must be taking note of the crowd turn-out in both Iowa and N.H. Nothing going on so far suggests anything approximating apathy on the part of Dems. I say "so far," well aware of how early it is. Still, the anti-Bush sentiment in this country is being measured with a new and compelling yardstick -- the vitriol-fueled Dems turning out to choose SOMEBODY. I agree with the various pundits today who said Kerry's upsurge is almost entirely "electability" defined.

I don't think Dean would run alone. Whatever his ego issues, he would not want to go down in history as the man who helped keep Bush in office 4 more years. But it's too early to tell.

Nader would destroy any Dems chances,and of course knows that. If he's sitting out, waiting for something, he's really odious. He has his ego issues, no matter what his followers say.

Updated On: 1/29/04 at 09:07 PM