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#1

Considering NOT voting?

"The women were innocent and defenseless. And by the end of the night, they were barely alive. Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessing went on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of "obstructing sidewalk traffic."


They beat Lucy Burn, chained her hands to the cell bars above her head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gasping for air. They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate, Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack. Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging, beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.

Thus unfolded the "Night of Terror" on Nov. 15, 1917, when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to vote.

For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their food--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms. When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks until word was smuggled out to the press.


So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this year because--why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work? Our vote doesn't matter? It's raining?"

I would only add that this should be a wake-up call to ANYONE considering not voting - unless you would prefer to be the one in that position.
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I forwarded this on to many friends and family..thanks DG.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Well said, DG! Voting is too easy to discount as "it doesn't matter anyway". It DOES matter...and we need to focus not just on the national election coming up, but on local and state elections as well. It's sad that candidates, and others with political agendas, can plot their strategies fully expecting that a large percentage of the population is too apathetic to even bother. We have no right to complain about the results if we don't do our part to have truly representative government.
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Thanks for sharing the story DG. My nana was an early suffergette. She never went through those horrors, but was arrested, by her husband, my grandpa, a Boston policeman!
People have some really stupid reasons for not voting. Then they complain the loudest. I don't care how you vote (well actually I do) but the important thing is to get your lazy butt out there and VOTE!!
"All I ask of you is one thing: please don't be cynical. I hate cynicism -- it's my least favorite quality and it doesn't lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get. But if you work really hard and you're kind, amazing things will happen." Conan O'Brien

Updated On: 8/25/04 at 10:43 AM

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Thank you for the reminder. I hope it does get people out to vote. I'm passing it on as well.
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I have voted in EVERY local, state and national election since I turned 18. It is very self-satisfying and empowering to be a part of the system. I wish everyone felt the same way.
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Considering what people have gone through to assure us the right to vote in a free society (from the Revolutionary War on) it is incomprehensible why people overlook their one sure chance of input.
#10

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They take advantage of what a democratic society offers without realizing that democracy is based on voting. Or not caring. Either way, it's pretty much inexcusable.
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I'm underage, but I whine about politics enough that my vote should count somewhere.
Real men are tenors.
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LOL. If you can't vote, BroadwayMonkey, participate in voting drives or volunteer for a campaign or activist organization. Voting isn't the only way to be heard- just the best way.
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I know. I'm going to force Delphie to volunteer with me. She's my politics homie.
Real men are tenors.
#15

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You know what? I'm really in the mood for a Sprite.
Real men are tenors.
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i applaude you dgrant..... i stand from my seat and applaude you. there are so many dirty tactics going on in this current election that i think some people have lost sight of our inalienable rights and what those who walked before us suffered for those rights. i would like to remind you all that before 1870, african american men were not allowed to vote... at all. august 26 marks the eighty-forth anniversary of the nineteenth amendment... this is what gave women the right to vote. and i believe the final state did not ratify that amendment until 1970. let that sink in ladies....

also... you must be registered for the presidential election at least 28 days beforehand...the election is november 2 so make a mental note to be registered by the end of september. i will be hosting a registration drive the last week in september (non-partisan of course) in a local public school. you might consider approaching a school, church, rec center or someplace else to borrow their building for the evening. i have my local news stations committed to mentioning this event in the few days preceding the drive. i have a local restaurant donating food and drinks.... i'd still like to get a band. it is relatively easy to get help as long as your approach is non-partisan. you can get information for hosting a drive on www.rockthevote.com www.declareyourself.org or www.vday.com
to help educate voters you can download the agendas for both candidates on their websites... however, the republican agenda won't be released until after their convention on september 2.

good luck out there... make a difference... stand up and be counted for what your beliefs are and don't listen to partisan attack ads from either side... take the time to research the facts for yourself. after all.. IT"S YOUR VOTE!
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Not voting is an insult to all those who have shed their blood, toiled in the trenches and suffered to protect our freedom.

I have never missed an election - large or small, because I never take my Rights for granted.

Thank you for posting a powerful message, DGrant.
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sorry... just bumping up dgrant's message for the day crowd
Ocean Breeze soap. It's just like taking an ocean cruise only there's no boat and you don't go anywhere.
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I'd also like to add that perhaps the most important reason that this upcoming election may be the most important one of our lives is because of the Supreme Court. Seven of the nine justices will be at least in their 70s by the end of the next president's term in January 2009, and two will be in their 80s -- Rehnquist, who will be 84 and the court's most liberal member, John Paul Stevens will be 88. The next president will have the opportunity to appoint at least two and perhaps as many as four new justices to the Court, who will determine constitutional law and policy for the next generation.

Bush has sworn on several occasions that he will only appoint pro-life judges to the bench. If he is re-elected and keeps his word, that will mean the end of Roe v. Wade (and its progeny of cases, including Planned Parenthood v. Casey) and abortion rights in this country (O'Connor and Stevens who were two of the five justices who voted to uphold Roe in the Planned Parenthood case are both very likely to retire sometime in the next 4 years). Beyond abortion rights, Bush's ultra-right wing appointees will have profound effects on determinging the future of gay rights, civil rights, environmental issues, labor law (including the new overtime rules), free speech and civil liberties (the Patriot Act et al), prisoners rights (including the rights of detainees and so-called enemy combatants) international trade and commerce, and a host of other issues for a several decades to come. If Bush is re-elected, we will all be living in a very different America from the one we have now in four years -- personally, I find the prospect to be quite frightening.


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margo, do you have any examples of those several occasions where georgie boy swore to appoint only pro-life judges? and what were his exact words?
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"During the campaign, President Bush stated that he planned to appoint Supreme Court Justices "in the mold of" Justices Scalia and Thomas." - from US Gov Info/Resources @ About.com

"Governor Bush has repeatedly stated that he would appoint to the Supreme Court jurists in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas." - CNN.com

"On the campaign trail, Bush has said he would appoint "strict constructionists" to the Supreme Court -- justices who would "strictly interpret the Constitution and not use the bench as a way to legislate." This type of strict interpretation is a conservative touchstone, but if Bush's Texas high-court picks are any indication, he'd choose justices who would apply just the opposite philosophy -- in pursuit of conservative ends. James Harrington, the director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, says that Bush's picks have made it harder to "litigate civil rights, consumer rights, workers' rights." He adds that these justices care more about conservative political correctness than legal reasoning. They are, in Harrington's words, "results-oriented" -- conservative judicial activists hiding behind the constructionist label." - Seth Gitell, Weeklywire.com (on how Bush's Texas Supreme Court indicates his direction for the national court.)
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i'm not seeing the words "pro-life" anywhere in there, d.

c'mon, everybody knows that the guy who'd get the first crack at the the supreme court in gw re-deux would be alberto gonzalez and he's anything but pro-life. he is the man who wrote the texas supreme court decision allowing a minor girl to have an abortion without her parents' permission. he even went so far as to help sink fellow justice priscilla owen's opportunity to be confirmed by the senate to the 5th u.s. circuit court of appeals by ridiculing her position requiring parental notification for underage girls seeking abortion as "an unconscionable act of judicial activism. but hey, just because he acts and speaks like he might value the constitution don't make it so.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

Updated On: 8/26/04 at 05:49 PM

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"The joint opinion, following its newly minted variation on stare decisis, retains the outer shell of Roe v. Wade, but beats a wholesale retreat from the substance of that case. We believe that Roe was wrongly decided, and that it can and should be overruled..." - from the dissenting opinion on Planned Parenthood VS. Casey (Written by Rehnquist, but signed by Scalia and Thomas.)

Now papa, you have stated (and I have agreed) that Bush is capable of adroit political maneuvering. There is no way he's going to come right out and use the words you're asking about. But I really think it's possible to look at what he did say, look at the voting records of the men referenced and draw conclusions.

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