Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

#1

Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 12:53pm

MSNBC Poll

Who won the debate?

1,969,504 responses

VP Dick Cheney 41%
Sen. John Edwards 59%

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#2

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 12:55pm

Once again the problem with polls:

They never poll people they think will not answer the way they don't wnat them to.

#3

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 12:56pm

Not exactly, Rodney. MSNBC doesn't select the sample; the sample is self-selecting. But no matter what, the outcome is the same: website polls can't be trusted. Which they say themselves when they tell you they're "unscientific."

#4

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 12:57pm

It's an Internet poll, silly. Anyone can vote.

Go vote if you want to.

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#5

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 12:59pm

Of course anyone can vote. That's why the sample is self-selecting, and therefore innaccurate.

#6

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:01pm

I know it's unscientific, but isn't it curious that Edwards is the clear winner on pretty much every other poll as well?

As unscientific as licking your finger and sticking it in the air to see if the wind has shifted.

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#7

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:03pm

That's only among people who vote in Internet polls. Another self-selecting sample.

#8

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:03pm

Here's a CBS poll of the undecideds who are are clearly going to decide the election.

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WHO WON THE DEBATE?
(Uncommitted Voters Who Watched Debate)

Edwards: 41%
Cheney: 28%
Tie: 31%
Uncommitteds Tab Edwards Winner

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#9

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:05pm

Edwards came off as personable, open, intelligent and an all around great guy who you wouldn't mind istting ina meeting with. Cheney was obnoxious, and, like Bush, seemed peeved that anyone would dare question him.

#10

re: edwards drinks everclear during debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:06pm

plum! stop using logic! edwards won, the polls show that clearly! clearly! the fact that the same person can vote as many times as they want in an online poll like this means nothing. nothing! edwards won clearly! clearly!!

now stop shilling for the minions of satan, you gop shill, you! did you get your check from rove already? i am very disappointed in you.

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#11

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:06pm

Edwars seems to have the lead in all the polls. If anyone reads otherwise; can you post a link?

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#12

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:07pm

Here's CNN:

Who do you think won last night's vice presidential debate?
Vice President Dick Cheney 37% 8647 votes
Sen. John Edwards 63% 14661 votes
Total: 23308 votes

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#13

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:09pm

O'Reilly mentioned on his show 4 different polls- 2 said that Edwards won (I believe that those were mentioned here) and another 2 that said Cheney won. I don't remember the exact polls or where they came from- but there are definitely a couple of polls listing Cheney as the winner.

#14

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:11pm

Lady, FOX NEWS poll don't count.

#15

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:12pm

Lady;
You know better than to use Fox as a source for anything. But thanks for the info

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#16

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:13pm

O'Lielly learned everything he knows about lying from Dick ("Nice-Inch Noser") Cheney!

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#17

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:13pm

His friggin' radio show, people!

Didn't the Fox News polls have Edwards winning too?


Oy. I am just stating that he mentioned it, and no matter how much you hate him- he'd get people running after him if he made up polls and poll numbers. The 2 polls were NOT from Fox News that he mentioned.

Updated On: 10/6/04 at 01:13 PM

#18

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:14pm

The man's name is dick. Of course he was lying. Everyone knows dick always lies to get what is wanted.

#19

re: Edwards Clear Winner of Debate

Posted: 10/6/04 at 1:59pm

...the fact that the same person can vote as many times as they want in an online poll like this means nothing. nothing!

Actually papa that's not true. I voted in both the MSNBC and the CNN polls, and once you register your vote, you're not permitted to vote again using the same computer. The website recognizes your IP Address and doesn't offer you the option to vote. This is true even if you sign off and then back on again. And no, that's not what I was trying to do. As I stated in a previous post, I thought the debate was more evenly matched than Bush/Kerry, and I also thought it was pretty much a draw. So, I was as surprised as anyone else to see that so many people actually felt that Edwards had won. Surprised... but delighted!

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#20

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 2:19pm

that's not been my experience, curtain. last time i took part in one it just sent a cookie which you can trash and vote again and happily repeat the process over and over and over.

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#21

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 3:05pm

Oh... so that's how you did it. Maybe you're right. The only thing I know about cookies is how to eat them. It would never even occur to me to go to such extremes just to register multiple votes on a news channel's website. But, no doubt, there are people out there who would.

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Updated On: 10/6/04 at 03:05 PM

#22

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 3:18pm

actually i figured that out thanks to bww.com. i was having trouble wiht the site and someone suggested to me that i "delete my cookies." after cursing them out, i found out what they meant. it wiped out all the little tracking files stuff that sites send to you. you can also just disable your cookies and that allows you to just vote over and over and over again. over on the kerry blog back in the primaries they were accusing the deaniacs of doing it during iowa and then later they suggested the freepers were pulling the same shenanigans. basically, any of those online polls that suggest, "click here for your choice" are pretty much useless as an indicator of anything other than how popular that particular poll was.

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r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

#23

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 3:24pm

Yay to Kerry and Edwards for winning the debates.

Now if they can just win the ELECTION, I'll be able to sleep nights.

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#24

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 8:47pm

are you kidding me?? Cheney kicked butt!! Edwards put up a good fight, but Cheney was the clear winner of this round.

#25

john edwards will sacrifice your children to the volcano gods

Posted: 10/6/04 at 9:06pm

Uh huh.