Governor Christie has gone too far
Governor Christie has gone too far
#1Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 1:28pm
So now, attacking teachers in the press isn't enough. He's taking it right to the kids, telling that all teachers are greedy, wasting time partying, and only care about their salary, not teaching.
What happened to the "using kids as a drug mule" comment? How are these kids supposed to face their teachers (in Trenton, no less, where some of these kids don't have positive role models other than teachers) Monday?
The man is unstable and disturbed.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/njea_head_avoids_criticizing_g.html
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#2Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 6:04pmWhat an idiot. How do these people get elected?
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#2Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 6:13pm
Where in that article does it say that he said teachers were wasting time partying and don't care about kids and care only about their salary?
He criticized teachers UNIONS.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
Updated On: 11/6/10 at 06:13 PM
NYadgal
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#3Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 6:15pm
From your link:
Gov. Chris Christie took his fight with the state’s largest teachers union directly to the kids today, telling a room full of Trenton students their schools were short on supplies because of greedy teachers union officials — not state aid cuts.
"There’s a lot of really great teachers in the state," said Christie. "But their union cares more about how much they get paid than they care about how well you learn."
Christie spoke to about 100 teens at a Trenton Boys & Girls Club, which he visited in 2009 and promised to return to after the election. The kids asked pointed questions , most often about the state of their schools and cuts in state aid to Trenton, which lost $43 million.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
Updated On: 11/6/10 at 06:15 PM
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#4Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 6:18pmIf the state doesn't have as much money for schools, you can't cut teacher pay- usually you can't even freeze teacher pay. So you have to find the money elsewhere- supplies, lunches, utilities, lawn care, etc.
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#6Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 7:34pmSeriously.
"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."
#7Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 8:09pm
I gather Jason teaches neither reading comprehension or advocacy.
On a more serious note - I understand Christie has been draconian, and there have been serious issues with the choices he has made so far as Governor. But if anything, from an outsider's perspective, thread's like this which either intentionally or just sloppily mistake facts makes Christie seem more sympathetic and not less.
And Joe, FWIW, if that was what Jason had written, I would not have bothered to even post in the thread.
Updated On: 11/6/10 at 08:09 PM
#8Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 9:52pm
I apologize - here's the link with the partying comment.
I thought I had pasted both in.
The "partying" comment is directly there. The implication is VERY clear that teachers don't care about learning of their students from Gov. Christie.
THIS comment, from the original article, about teachers being greedy rather than wanting to teach, is clear as day:
"There’s a lot of really great teachers in the state," said Christie. "But their union cares more about how much they get paid than they care about how well you learn."
The union is made of teachers, and to any kid that's going to mean "teachers care more about money than you."
http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2010/11/05/news/doc4cd497a9cc2c3297264866.txt?viewmode=fullstory
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Updated On: 11/6/10 at 09:52 PM
#9Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 10:27pm
Close, but not quite Jason.
He did not say "partying" - he said "having a party." Where I come from, those are two very different terms. Maybe they are synonymous in NJ but they are not where I come from.
I am sorry your union leadership is losing the PR war with Christie - but it is.
#10Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 10:50pm
Seriously YWIW?
You are splitting hairs in the worst way. "Having a party" and "partying" ARE the same thing - yeah, "partying" can have another implication, but it can also simply mean "having a party."
Weak, YWIW, real weak.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/partying
Either way, no matter HOW you take it, it was an inappropriate and unprofessional thing to say to students.
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Updated On: 11/6/10 at 10:50 PM
#11Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/6/10 at 11:38pm
Weak, really? All I know is that when we used the term "partying" (the term you said Christie used), we meant doing something involving alcohol or some other substance. When we used the term "a party" it usually indicated something a little less hedonistic.
If you want to get your panties in a wad about your draconian governor (which your state elected), then I suggest you be a bit more careful in how you describe his words.
Was it the right thing to say to students - no. I agree with you there. But, your exaggeration of his comments does you no favors and to me undermines whatever point you may have.
Partying
#12Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 12:03am
It's not an exaggeration. "Partying" and "having a party," in context, mean the exact same thing. As I said, either way you read it, it's inappropriate and that's the point.
And yes, the state elected him. I voted for Corzine. I have every right to complain.
If you go to NJ.com, there are an increasing number of people on the boards every day who are saying they voted for him but now regret it.
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#13Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 12:11am
Jason, maybe it is semantics, but where I come from "partying" and "having a party" are two very different things. In the context provided, they mean very different things to me. Honestly, my Bat Mitzvah was a party. When I passed the bar exam, I was partying. In the context of your sentence, they, at least to me, convey very different images and reactions. He made an inappropriate statement and at least from my perspective, you tried to imply it was worse than what he in fact said.
All I am suggesting is that if you want to complain about the conduct of your Governor, do not misstate or overstate what he says or does - it undermines your argument and makes those not as familiar with what is going on with your state question whether your comments are reliable.
#14Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 12:23am
We're going to have to agree to disagree. Yeah, there's an implication that can be made from the term partying, but it can also mean exactly what I said it means. It's not overstating anything, especially since there is the link (now - again, sorry about that, I really thought I'd pasted it the first time) that shows exactly what he said.
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#16Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 4:35pmIs today Easter Sunday?
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#17Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 4:35pmWell to be fair, teachers ARE the Union. It's not like "the Union" is this uncontrollable outside entity.
#18Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/7/10 at 5:22pm
Thank you, Joe. That's the exact point. He makes no distinction. Even if we as grown ups can separate the two, the kids don't make that distinction.
Additionally, we don't get paid for those two days. If we didn't have them, then the school year would just end two days earlier.
What so many people seem to forget is that teaching isn't just about teachers - the KIDS need the breaks. Believe me, come in and see what school is like in the week or two before spring break when we haven't been out of school in two months - the kids are practically crawling the walls.
I'm not saying we need two months off in the summer (I'd be fine with a rotating year round schedule of breaks, just so long as there was air conditioning in all buildings - given that that seems an impossibility, it's never going to happen), but the breaks are needed for the KIDS more than the teachers.
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#19Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 2:31amHonestly, the kids don't need those two days. It's two days of parents having to find care or take off work. Every other week has some kind of day off in NJ. They have more half days than any district I have ever seen. It would be better for everyone involved if it was held during the summer.
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#20Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 9:15amJersey, you must hate the teachers. Make sure no children see your post.
#21Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 9:28amAdditionally, most New Jersey schools were off for the entire week, not just two days, for Fall break.
#22Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 10:14amNJ Public Schools have 180 school days per year. The range nationally is 175 to 185.
#23Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 11:29am
Yes, but those half days also count as full days attended. In November, out of 22 weekdays, they have four days off and three half days in the district where I lived. Why have three half days leading up to Thanksgiving vacation? Yes, parent teacher conferences need to happen, but there's already too much going on that month. I am biased because I had to care for the most low functioning of special needs kids those days and I got to see exactly how much or little their parents were actually involved. For a typical kid, two days off of school isn't a big deal. For a child with autism, it can be horrible. They need stability and a set schedule. School can be the only structure they get. I just think it makes it easier on the kids to go to school regularly.
I don't hate teachers at all, but I have dealt with several who shouldn't be teaching. I don't really understand making the kids stay home for two days while they attend a conference in AC. It seems it would be better to have it right before school starts in the fall.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#23Governor Christie has gone too far
Posted: 11/8/10 at 11:29amBah.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
Updated On: 11/8/10 at 11:29 AM
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