Hiroshima, 60 years ago today- Page 2
Hiroshima, 60 years ago today
#31slaughter
Posted: 8/7/05 at 9:41pm
and you're a shining example of those who choose to ignore ugly realities in favor of pretty daydreams of utopia.
as orwell said, "those who abjure violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf."
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#32slaughter
Posted: 8/7/05 at 10:02pm
lol.....papa I give up........I guess you can justify burning thousands of innocent civilians....all those children with guns, right?
LOL.......you really don't get it......and I won't waste anymore of my time. Apparently you can justify anything.......so be it. You have to live with yourself, not I.....and thank God for that.
Play by yourself........
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story...
AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
Updated On: 8/7/05 at 10:02 PM
#33slaughter
Posted: 8/7/05 at 10:20pm
i do get it. you don't. freedom isn't free.
"the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure."
thmoas jefferson, nov. 13, 1787
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#34slaughter
Posted: 8/7/05 at 11:01pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050807/ap_on_re_us/us_hiroshima
Never Again!
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story...
AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#36slaughter
Posted: 8/7/05 at 11:45pm
that boy specifically? i'm not sure, but his letters are available online so you could peruse them for a reference. to preserve the liberty of the united states? i'm betting yeah, perhaps with great sadness, but yep.
but ask the relatives of the 300,000 killed by the japanese during the three month long rape of nanjing if it was worth it. ask the relatives of the 100,000+ allied prisoners of war who were to have been slaughtered by the japanese as a response to an invasion if it was worth it. ask the relatives of the 10,000 killed on the bataan death march if they thought it was worth it. ask the relatives of the 490,000+ killed by japan's unit 731 chemical and biological warfare weapons research unit if they thought it was worth it.
even after two atomic bombs the japanese were prepared to fight on. it took the soviet attack on manchuria to finally convince them to surrender. that coupled with the possibility that america had more atomic bombs to rain down on them finally convinced them. that was exactly why the atomic bombs were described by admiral mitsumasa yonai, who had been premier in 1940 and the japanese navy minister at the time, as a "gift from heaven". marquis koichi kido, the emperor's privy seal said, "we of the peace party were assisted by the atomic bomb in our endeavor to end the war".
the peace party.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#37slaughter
Posted: 8/8/05 at 12:18am
Papa, that Jefferson quote is in reference to rebellion within the United States. He had the delusional idea that the US couldn't survive as a free republic if the people didn't have a little rebellion every couple of years to keep the government in line.
If they wanted to center their attacks on the few military targets in Hiroshima, they shouldn't have purposefully dropped the bombs in the very center of town.
Also, the United States already had intercepted transmissions from the Japanese expressing their desire to surrender if only the US would allow them to retain their Emperor, EVEN as a simple figurehead--something we did AFTER we bombed them.
#38slaughter
Posted: 8/8/05 at 9:35am
sure there were elements within the gov't that wanted to surrender, as the quoites i chose show, but as the attempted coup showed after their decision to surrender they did not represent all of the voices of power. nor would their voices have been loud enough to shout down the military leaders wiithout the atomic bombs and the soviet invasion. nor were they willing to give up shintoism which had by then been transformed into a warlike religion much like the radical islam that is preached in too many madrassas. it was only 8 weeks earlier that 200,000 japanese and 20,000 amerians died at okinawa as a result of the japanese bushido code of death before dishonor. how many would have died in an invasion? what would the result of a successful coup had there not beeen the violent and awful lessons of hiroshima and nagasaki and manchuria?
as far as jefferson, if faced with the same decision as truman, i am confident we'd have seen the same result.
thhere are those who here obviously feel that there is never any justification for using atomic weapons. i disagree.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
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