Howard Dean on Meet the Press

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 10:58am

I love you Howard Dean, you sexy thang, you. Here's a man in tune with America's problems.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/23/politics/23dean.html?

Updated On: 5/23/05 at 10:58 AM

Posted: 5/23/05 at 11:00am

Sadly the Media doesn't want him to be President. Shame. He would have made a damn fine one.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 11:21am

I loved him, too. Cogent, far from hysterical (a bum rap), and unrelenting (fine with me) in his criticism of DeLay and company.

But did anyone else notice his flub that went un-commented-upon by Russert? Near the end, he twice said "Osama Bin Laden" in reference to 9/11, when he meant to say "Saddam Hussein." I thought the mix-up -- a loaded one, even in an innocent slip of the tongue -- might've made waves.

By the way--did anyone ever see Mike Nichols on Charlie Rose? He talked about the way technology is used to help/destroy people in politics, politics being theater on a grand scale. And he mentioned something critical: when Dean did his famous diatribe, he was speaking in front of a roaring crowd. None of the crowd audio was ever mixed in, so his over-the-top ferver was magnified by hearing but 'one track' of a multi-track event.

Updated On: 5/23/05 at 11:21 AM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 11:39am

The media treatment of that "roar" was proof that there is no such thing as a liberal bias.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 12:06pm

Thank goodness the Democrats have him.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 12:33pm

i can only pray that he'll get a second chance at the democratic nomination in '08.

free howie.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 12:53pm

You ever notice how there are only two Dark Lords of the Sith at any time?

I think Howie rocks.

Posted: 5/23/05 at 1:14pm

Dean was always the one who was willing to present the actuality of the 'opposition's voice'. Because of the timidity of the Democratic leadership, they backed away from someone who actually took a stand. I DO hope that he is allowed to continue, and keeps on voicing what many people feel.

The difficulty will come, however, if he does get the message out there, and we have to watch again that a majority of the people still willingly support the current regime. BUT, if that happens, we can at least know that they are making a choice in a scenario that includes a real point of view.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 3:31pm

Howard Dean, a perfect gift to the Republican Party.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 3:51pm

"Howard Dean, a perfect gift to the Republican Party."

Uh oh. The secret's out. Republicans: switch to Top Secret Plan B.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:13pm

exactly, d. i can't tell you how many people i know who said, "well, dennis kucinich actually represents my views more accurately than any of the others, but he doesn't have a chance." well, duh. but if you're going to take a stand, take one on principle. be like the gop in '64. go down on principle rather than on, "well, we think this one's got a chance."

on the national scene, dems are afraid of their own positions and end up twisting themselves into pretzels to avoid seeming like they are saying what they are actually saying. they need to embrace their positions, proclaim them loudly and honestly and offer a truly distinct vision of america. until they do, they'll never either seal the deal or know for sure where their flock stands.

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:21pm

Papa - I actually agree with Kucinich, but he never got any media attention, and therefore never registered with 'the masses'. Dean had that grass-roots army building - how dare he.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:28pm

hey, don't blame me. i wanted a dean nomination. it was the powers that be on your side of the aisle that decided that the war hero with the monotone was the better choice. if he can come up big on '06, he'll have wiped away the memory of howlin' howie. if not, it'll be alll hillary all the time starting in november of '06 with the few dissenters left to throw their cash behind who? kerry again? doubt it. dean? it would fracture the party, but it might happen because the big money donors like him a whole lot.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:29pm

I find the FAR more interesting party nomination to be the Republican one. Where are your leaders? Condoleeza? No offense, but we know that won't jive with the same America that loses jobs but still believes the economy has turned around.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:41pm

Repubs have lots of choices: I'm betting we'll see a Condoleeza/Guiliani ticket.

What won't jive with America is Dean saying "I'm a Christian, but I don't go to church". That will play real well in the South. Haven't the Dems learned anything from the last election? He lost all credibility with the morals voters right there.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:42pm

Playing well in the south?
*looks at your proposed Republican ticket: a black woman and a New Yorker*
I think he'd play as well as that. In the South.

Posted: 5/23/05 at 4:43pm

LOVE Angie

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 5:01pm

dunno, bway. i'd like to see condie at the top of the ticket, but it's gonna be a dogfight. frist thinks it's his and he's delusional. santorum just had a bad hair day that will haunt any run he tries to make along with any number of photoshop possibilities of his man on dog comments. brownback wants it, but he's so abrasive that even his own mother wouldn't consider putting him on the ticket. georgie p gets mentioned a lot, but he's not even popular enough to win his own state anymore much less a national election (unless his getting unpopular in ny is part of a shrewd strategy to woo the south, "the man ny hated!"). rudy gets bandied about a lot but it'll be tought to get him past the vast right wing conspiracy. mccain can still woo the right with a few overtures and seal his own fate between now and then. who knows, maybe arnie'll get that pesky amendment overturned.

'08 is far enough away that i think it's still a wide open race as long as slick dick stays with his plan to stay home and nurse his one good valve. there's a lot of dark horses that i'm not even going to delve into. i think the gop primary will be at least as entertaining as the dems this time around and that our side is far less settled than yours.

but please, we're taking away from what should be a lovely discussion of howlin' howie.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 5:19pm

Frist is about to go down in flames, like Newt Gingrich. Let's hope he takes with him the rest of the ultra right wing of the Republican Party and ends this ugly divisive nightmarish and un-American theocracy.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/23/05 at 5:37pm

nah, frist isn't going down in flames anytime soon. there won't even be a vote on the nuke option tomorrow. look for a few dems to vote for cloture. they'll save the filibuster fight for when it really counts and when it can really hurt the gop: nominating the new supremes.

then again, i guess a few gop'ers could vote with the dems so as to ensure that the nucular option can be invoked...but i doubt it. despite the screaming from partisans, this brawl will be postponed until it really matters (i.e. when the media has not beat the public to death with the story so much that they've tuned it out).

you heard it here third.