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" I Bet It's A Pip!"

Posted: 11/12/04 at 7:56am

Reportedly what Bette Davis said when offered the script of GONE WITH THE WIND. (I don't believe it.)

What other important films did big time actors turn down?

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 7:59am

Nowhere near the same league, but didn't Tom Selleck turn down the role of Indiana Jones?

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:02am

What happened with Shirly Temple and "The Wizard of Oz"? Was that her studios fault?

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. Ralph Waldo Emerson

I've heard about Selleck and Indiana Jones and have heard the Shirley/Wizard story so many times I can't believe I'm vague on exactly what happened.
What about John Travolta turning down AMERICAN GIGOLO?

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:12am

Michelle Pfeiffer turned down Silence of the Lambs

I was under the impression that Davis was never offered GWTW because it was too much like Jezebel which she had just finished.

With Shirley Temple and WOO, I believe it was her mother that turned the show down.

If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:14am

Shirley probably hated her Mother after that..LOL !!!

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:17am

Thandie Newton had to decline the role that went to Lucy Liu in Charlie's Angels when shooting on Mission Impossible II went wildly out of control. And, after injuring himself on the set of the very same movie, Dougray Scott had to relinquish the role of Wolverine in X Men and we all know how that one turned out.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:24am

no, if I recal correctly.. I grew an AVID Oz fan... Temple was under contract with Warner Bros and garland was under contract with MGM. MGM approached Oz about 'borrowing' Temple for Oz, but Warner Bros refused to loan he out, so MGM had to look through their contract stars and oplayers to find a viable Dorothy and someone, I forgot who.. Arthur Freed I believe, mentioned Garland championed for her to be screen tested for the role. Initially, the film began shooting under Richard Thorpe, and he had envisioned Dorothy to look somewhat like a grown up Temple. Thorpe was fired after two weeks and in the interim between directors, Dorothy was reimagined intow hat we know today.

I'll have to go flip through my books THE WIZARDRY OF OZ and THE MAKING OF THE WIZARD OF OZ and double check the facts.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:30am

Please check because I think Shirley was with Twentieth Century Fox. Was it Cukor who took off all the make up and blonde wig? Who got final director credit? Flemming or Vidor?
Shame on me for not remembering all of this perfectly. I used to hold on to movie history quite well.

PS: Should this turn into the official Judy Garland/Shirley Temple were the most amazing child stars thread?

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:32am

oh yes.. it WAS 20th Century Fox.. I am sorry.. the onld studio ystem can be quite frustrating to remember. lol. After Oz came out, Fox decided to rip it off with The Blur Bird starring Temple, but it BOMBED.

Thorpe started, Cukor filled in in the interim and reimagined Dorothy and her characterization, Fleming filmed all of the Oz sequences, but left to do Gone With The Wind, and Vidor came in and filmed the Kansas sequences. Fleming recieved final credit for the film.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:35am

Thanks Mr. Adorable. :)
I remember Shirley on a talk show - Dinah or David Frost - one of those - telling about the headline of the review - "The Blue Bird Lays an Egg."

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:38am

hahaha. oh yes. I think I have The Blue Bird SOMEWHERE On VHS.. If I can't find it, I shall have to geta nother copy. It's pretty funny. They rip off EVERY Ozian device MGM cooked up.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:10am

Garland turned down THREE FACES OF EVE. She actually went into discussions with the director to do it, but ultimately nixed it. Joanne Woodward was second choice -- and got Oscar-ized for it.

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:14am

Love THREE FACES OF EVE.
Never heard about Garland being offered that film.

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:19am

Anthony Newly, James Booth and Lawrence Harvey all reportedly turned down ALFIE

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:21am

Albert Finney turned down the role of Lawrence of Arabia in Lean's epic

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:22am

Gary Cooper reportedly turned down the part of Rhett Butler.

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:24am

Laurence Olivier, Richard Conte (Barzini) and John Marley (Jack Woltz) for the role of Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather, which was taken by Marlon Brando who was screen tested for Laurence of Arabia.

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:25am

Mornin Addy. You're on a roll!
Glad someone puts in some time for the guys. :)

" ...the happiness in the tune convinces me that I'm not afraid."

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:30am

LOL...I love these subjects!

You always start the best threads, Glebb

...now it's time to rack my brain about famous female turn-downs...

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

#21

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:06pm

The story regarding the casting of Dorothy goes like this: (according to Garland's biography) MGM bought the rights to Baum's Wizard of Oz as a vehicle for Judy Garland, who at the time was gaining popularity from radio appearances and small musical scenes in studio pictures, but had yet to find her niche. The announcement was made to Judy on her birthday in fact. Shortly there after, the studio decided that Judy was too old for the role, and wasn't a big enough draw yet, so the part was offered to Temple. It was eventually decided that Temple could not sing the role, her voice too "childish", and the part fell back to Garland.

The rest as they say, is history. :)

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 4:28pm

Gwyneth Paltrow said she met with James Cameron regarding "Titanic." She did not know if he was checking her for the role, but said she was not interested in it.

My mother always used to say, "The older you get, the better you get, unless you're a banana." - Rose Nyland

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 4:32pm

Sorry for the stupid question, but what did she mean by "a pip"?

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 6:07pm

Not only did they want Shirley as Dorothy, they wanted W.C. Fields as the Wizard.

A young Robert Redford turned down both WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF and THE GRADUATE - providing huge breaks for George Segal and Dustin Hoffman.

Ricahrd Gere owes most of his career to Travolta, who turned down AMERICAN GIGOLO, AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN and CHICAGO!

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Posted: 11/12/04 at 6:27pm

Billy Crudup in TITANIC
Cher in A STAR IS BORN (Kristofferson version)
Nick Nolte in SUPERMAN(!!!)
Grace Kelly in MARNIE (Forbidden to do it by the monarchy because of racy subject matter)
Raquel Welch in CANNERY ROW (She sued)
Sissy Spacek in TERMS OF ENDEARMENT (Kim Basinger was supposed to play Emma's best friend, Patsy)
Debra Winger in PEGGY SUE GOT MARRIED, A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN, BROADCAST NEWS, and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
Shirley Maclaine in POLTERGEIST (Her psychic told her not to)

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