I just don't understand em

[Albin]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 6:57pm

Gay Republicans...what the hell is up with them?

[zippyjen]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:03pm

not sure. I know some gays who don't agree with gay marriage. weird but their opinions.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:06pm

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:08pm

ARRGGGG EWWW

[Allie]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:09pm

Mmm, Tiff... Hehe, when I saw this thread title, I automatically thought, "Well, there's nothing wrong with luvthemcee... what's not to understand?"

[LaeloftheLakes]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:10pm

Tiff, you're wonderful.

[ashley0139]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:11pm

Just a question and I hope everyone doesn't jump on me but: Didn't Kerry oppose gay marriage too? Was he more supportive of it than Bush. I mean, I thought they were both pretty clear on that but maybe I am missing something. Great apologies if I am being ignorant!

[insomniak]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:18pm

Beaver, I don't ask this to bait you, I really do want to know. Just how separate of a community do you think gays need? That kind of thing can be taken too far, like what the Black Panthers and Malcom X in the sixties tried to do. I don't know anything about you of course, but some of my gay friends can be very exclusive about certain things- they tend to ditch me and other straight people for gay-only gatherings and such. It can be hypocritical- "I want you to give me equal rights, but I'm going to leave you out of everything I do".

[insomniak]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:33pm

Glad to hear that. Not all straight people are the spawn of W and don't deserve to be treated as such.

I've always sort of thought that way about marriage too- to me, it almost seems like a cage and it could make a relationship stale. If someone figures they've got another person for life, they could get lazy and decide they don't need to work on keeping the relationship fresh and unified (for lack of better term). People sometimes think that because they're married, they don't need to put in any effort to take care of their spouse or the partnership and that can ruin the entire thing.

Marriage really isn't worth much these days anyway, with some of the examples celebrities are setting. *shrug*

Anyway, sorry for the threadjack.

EDITED TO ADD- Beav, when I mentioned gay-only things, I meant just regular get-togethers, like going out shopping or hanging out. It sucks to be excluded from that stuff because you're straight. As for bars, I wouldn't know but I can see how that woud be odd. I wish there didn't have to be 'gay' and 'straight' bars, it makes things difficult and it seems like a form of segregation to me. Updated On: 1/18/05 at 07:33 PM

[Ellie3]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:43pm

I think the Republicans need more gay members! Take them down from within, I say!

[sweetiedarlinmia]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:46pm

I need to correct something.

Malcolm didnt want a separate community in the end. He did begin "militant". As he recieved more violent opposition and more injustices were done to African-Americans, he did become more and more "militant" in his views. But after his trip to Mecca, he was more peaceful and desired to unite African-Americans. He felt that before problems between the races were addressed, the Black community needed to work through our own problems. If you read his "The Ballot or the Bullet" speech, it talks about being anti-oppression, anti-explotation, anti-degredation of all kind. He advocates education and using the power of votes and making the representatives accountable to their promises. Even when he talks about "Black Nationalism," he is simply referencing reducing the things that are destroying the community.

The Black Panthers wanted to strengthen the Black Community as well, by promoting knowledge of rights, providing protection from the very corrupt police system, and providing programs for the community. Yes, the group itself only consisted of African Americans, but they did in fact work with several non-black groups. Now the person who did avocate separating was Marcus Garvey, who spearheaded the Back To Africa movement.

[insomniak]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 7:51pm

Thank you, Mia. If I have to feel dumb, I at least like it to be for a good reason. My history book sucks.

I knew that Malcom X changed his views after seeing the peaceful worshippers in Mecca, but my history teacher told us that his violence was a means to create a seperate community and that it was a continuation of the Back to Africa movement. There's a fine distinction there, I guess. And what I've read of the Black Panthers was similar, violent and zealously black-power only.

[TheatreDiva612]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 8:35pm

hhhmmm.... i dont know any gay republicans.

[Plum]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 9:42pm

You're choosing to make gay rights your priority issue. Now, that's your perogative, but other people might think that the traditional political issues of the economy and foreign policy, for example, are the most important things when choosing a political affiliation. Nowhere have I seen a Republican Party membership form with the clause "You must be a gay-basher to join." A few of my best friends are Republicans, and have no problem with gays at all. A couple of them are big-time atheists, to boot, but they somehow manage to preservere despite all the Christian rhetoric flying around. It's up to the individual to decide what's most important to them, and it takes protest from all angles to bring about change.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 9:56pm

ashley - Seriously, Kerry flip flopped SO much that he was probably opposed to the opposition in favor of a marital union between gays under the United States judiciary process and according to the Church....(this is about when I stopped listening).....::comes back in 5 hours later::.....and antidisestabl.....::leaves again::......

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:05pm

What Kerry said was that he id not favor Marriage in a RELIGIOUS sense. He did believe that committed partners should be given the full rights of married couples.

Bush said that he did not know what to believe, but that he believed marriage should be between a Man and a Woman.

WHO IS THE FLIP-FLOPPER?

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:08pm

umm....still kerry...

WHO WON THE ELECTION?

[LittleFish8386]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:12pm

Like me right Beaver??

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:13pm

Bush won the election. I am not one of those in denial.

My point is that Bush flip-flopped just as much as Kerry (and about worse things)

[lostwallflower]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:20pm

As a Republican of questionable sexual orientation (I don't really know yet, and I'm not trying that hard to decide) I am confused. What is there not to get? Gay marriage is just one issue of many in politics and, speaking only for myself, I don't think it is enough of an issue for me to vote on.

Updated On: 1/18/05 at 10:20 PM

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 1/18/05 at 10:25pm

no, i still think kerry flip flopped more....

Bush remained speechless the whole time - in awe of the flip flopping....

but it's over....