I know, let's build a fence!
I know, let's build a fence!
#0I know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 4:28pm
Give me an f-ing break...with all the problems the US has we're now spending 1.2 billion for this???? Hell, Bushnit, how bout 1.2 billion more for cancer research, AIDS research, etc?????
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. - President Bush on Wednesday signed a homeland security bill that includes an overhaul of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and $1.2 billion for fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border to stem illegal immigration.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#1re: I know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 4:29pmYou think that's bad? Wait till you find out who has been contracted to build it.
#2re: I know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 4:37pmoh God.......probably a friend of his....
#3i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 4:52pmthe jews?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#4i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 4:57pmNope.... Come on think, who will benefit most from something like this?
#5i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 5:01pmHalliburton?
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#7i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 5:06pmnope, i have it on good authority that they're going to make the gays do it once they put them in concentration camps after they cancel the election and declare martial law. but only the really nelly gays, so you won't have to worry mejustdontlikec*ck.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#8i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 6:21pm
We had a discussion about this awhile back, I was helping my kid with a school project:
https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?boardname=off&thread=895203
vmlinnie
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/19/06
#9i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/4/06 at 6:30pm
Saw a clip on the news the other day about truck drivers being killed on convoys in Iraq, guess which company...
Yup, Halliburton. Or was it United Defense? Or Arbusco? Oh well, they're all the same...
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#11i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/5/06 at 2:08am
"i have it on good authority that they're going to make the gays do it once they put them in concentration camps after they cancel the election and declare martial law. but only the really nelly gays"
My favorite post of the week - so far.
Plum
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/4/04
#12i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/5/06 at 2:15amWhat an incredibly stupid decision. If they want a wall to actually be effective they're going to have to do it the way the Israelis do it- with craploads of armed guards posted all along it and more than happy to shoot anyone who tries to go through. Of course, the U.S./Mexico border is just a teeny bit longer than the one Israel has with the West Bank, we can't exactly spare soldiers at the moment, and if Mexicans did start getting shot along the Rio Grande there would be hell to pay, but since when has common sense stood in the way of highly symbolic-looking and expensive policy?
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#13i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/5/06 at 9:53am
It's 2006 shouldn't we be tearing down walls? That "security fence" in Israel has really worked wonders. It's a damn shame they can't keep their own arms inside it.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#14i know, let's build a fence!
Posted: 10/25/06 at 11:39pm
American Prison Camps Are on the Way
By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.
Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."
Bush & Co. has portrayed the bill as a tough way to deal with aliens to protect us against terrorism. Frightened they might lose their majority in Congress in the November elections, the Republicans rammed the bill through Congress with little substantive debate.
Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush's list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies could be declared an "unlawful enemy combatant" and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.
The bill also strips habeas corpus rights from detained aliens who have been declared enemy combatants. Congress has the constitutional power to suspend habeas corpus only in times of rebellion or invasion. The habeas-stripping provision in the new bill is unconstitutional and the Supreme Court will likely say so when the issue comes before it.
Although more insidious, this law follows in the footsteps of other unnecessarily repressive legislation. In times of war and national crisis, the government has targeted immigrants and dissidents.
In 1798, the Federalist-led Congress, capitalizing on the fear of war, passed the four Alien and Sedition Acts to stifle dissent against the Federalist Party's political agenda. The Naturalization Act extended the time necessary for immigrants to reside in the U.S. because most immigrants sympathized with the Republicans.
The Alien Enemies Act provided for the arrest, detention and deportation of male citizens of any foreign nation at war with the United States. Many of the 25,000 French citizens living in the U.S. could have been expelled had France and America gone to war, but this law was never used. The Alien Friends Act authorized the deportation of any non-citizen suspected of endangering the security of the U.S. government; the law lasted only two years and no one was deported under it.
The Sedition Act provided criminal penalties for any person who wrote, printed, published, or spoke anything "false, scandalous and malicious" with the intent to hold the government in "contempt or disrepute." The Federalists argued it was necessary to suppress criticism of the government in time of war. The Republicans objected that the Sedition Act violated the First Amendment, which had become part of the Constitution seven years earlier. Employed exclusively against Republicans, the Sedition Act was used to target congressmen and newspaper editors who criticized President John Adams.
Subsequent examples of laws passed and actions taken as a result of fear-mongering during periods of xenophobia are the Espionage Act of 1917, the Sedition Act of 1918, the Red Scare following World War I, the forcible internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II, and the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (the Smith Act).
During the McCarthy period of the 1950s, in an effort to eradicate the perceived threat of communism, the government engaged in widespread illegal surveillance to threaten and silence anyone who had an unorthodox political viewpoint. Many people were jailed, blacklisted and lost their jobs. Thousands of lives were shattered as the FBI engaged in "red-baiting." One month after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, United States Attorney General John Ashcroft rushed the U.S.A. Patriot Act through a timid Congress. The Patriot Act created a crime of domestic terrorism aimed at political activists who protest government policies, and set forth an ideological test for entry into the United States.
In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the legality of the internment of Japanese and Japanese-American citizens in Korematsu v. United States. Justice Robert Jackson warned in his dissent that the ruling would "lie about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need."
That day has come with the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It provides the basis for the President to round-up both aliens and U.S. citizens he determines have given material support to terrorists. Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.
In his 1928 dissent in Olmstead v. United States, Justice Louis Brandeis cautioned, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." Seventy-three years later, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, speaking for a zealous President, warned Americans "they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."
We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties. Our constitutional right to dissent is in serious jeopardy. Benjamin Franklin's prescient warning should give us pause: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, is president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists. Her new book, "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," will be published in 2007 by PoliPointPress.
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