Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
iflitifloat
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/10/03
#0Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:32pm
My husband asked me how many how many unexpected civilian deaths I thought there had been in Iraq since the beginning of the war... you know, people caught in the crossfire, hit with stray bombs...that kind of thing. I answered "a couple of thousand...5000, maybe..."
Civilian death toll in Iraq exceeds 100,000
Thu 28 October, 2004 20:14
By Patricia Reaney
LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in violence since the U.S.-led invasion last year, American public health experts have calculated in a report that estimates there were 100,000 "excess deaths" in 18 months.
The rise in the death rate was mainly due to violence and much of it was caused by U.S. air strikes on towns and cities.
"Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq," said Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in a report published online by The Lancet medical journal.
"The use of air power in areas with lots of civilians appears to be killing a lot of women and children," Roberts told Reuters.
The report came just days before the U.S. presidential election in which the Iraq war has been a major issue.
Mortality was already high in Iraq before the war because of United Nations sanctions blocking food and medical imports but the researchers described what they found as shocking.
The new figures are based on surveys done by the researchers in Iraq in September 2004. They compared Iraqi deaths during 14.6 months before the invasion in March 2003 and the 17.8 months after it by conducting household surveys in randomly selected neighbourhoods.
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Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#1re: Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:34pmThat is disgusting and honest to God turns my stomach.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
Corine2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/14/03
#2re: Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:38pm
Very disturbing.
All we need is peace and love in this world.
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#3re: Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:39pm
The only thing worse than this is going to be the rationalizing and explaining away that will take place.
This is shameful, and will have ramifications from this point on.
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#4re: Iraq's civilian death toll reaches 100,000
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:40pmI truly wish the Iraqi people knew how most of us feel about this.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#5re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:48pm
that study is not a fact of anything. it's estimations and bad ones at that.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/102904J.html
also consider that this site was set up explicitly for the purpose of documenting civilian deaths and trying to paint the u.s. as uncaring conquerors bent on widespread slaughter and they haven't even gotten near that.
http://iraqbodycount.com/forum/
i expect before the weekend is over to see that bush was actually the recipient of the mysterious hitler brain that's been kept alive in stasis since ww2. i think that'll be krugman's last column before the election.
the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!
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Updated On: 10/29/04 at 01:48 PM
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
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Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#6re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:57pm
papa - what I read is that he's all up in arms about the estimations being reported with only a 95% assurity - as long as there is a 5% chance that the numbers are completely wrong they shouldn't be published?
I also notice that he spends the entire article damning the reason for its early publication and questioning the complete validity of the findings, but never really addresses the fact that there have been THOUSANDS of deaths. Even if the numbers are skewed a little, they couldn't be so wrong as to make this anything less than horrifying.
And my earlier statement stands - the ONLY thing worse than this information is the attempt at rationalization and excuse that will arise from it.
Updated On: 10/29/04 at 01:57 PM
Borstalboy
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/9/04
#7re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 1:58pmYes, but why aren't the Iraqi's accepting us? Where are the thrown flowers? Don't they know how good we are? I know they are an ancient culture and all, but if they just give in to the smell some good ol' American Apple Pie and everything will be wonderful! Why do they have to make it so darned difficult!
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
~ Muhammad Ali
Matthew Rask
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/2/04
#8re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 2:02pmBorstalboy, was that a serious statement? It's a bit more complicated than that...
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Joined: 12/31/69
#9re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 2:04pmMr. Rask - I can ASSURE you that Borstal was being COMPLETELY satirical.
#10re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 2:04pmthey would be, borstal, but they're all terrified of pies after watching the ann coulter incident. thanks a whole lot, guys!!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Matthew Rask
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#12re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 2:05pmI'm terrified just seeing the name Ann Coulter and the word pie in the same sentence.
#13re: be real careful
Posted: 10/29/04 at 2:07pmnow you kow how i felt when mr. matt was threatening a trip into the "coulter hole"!
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#14re: be real careful
Posted: 10/30/04 at 2:23pm
because i suck at math, i present fred kaplan who's no friend of the administration. he explains that 95% thingy right off the bat.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/
he seems to have sold matthew yglesias, whos anothe guy not so fond of the bush administration (and that's putting it mildly).
http://yglesias.typepad.com/matthew/2004/10/civilian_deaths.html
kaplan's right, horror is horror, and lies are lies.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
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