My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!
My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!
My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#0
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:35am
OMG, it was horrible.
Okay, so I was listening to Jesus Christ Superstar because it's Palm Sunday Eve, which is practically my favorite day of the year because "Hosanna" is the second best song about Jesus after "Oh, Happy Day" and it's totally about Palm Sunday.
(By the way, I mean the ORIGINAL STUDIO RECORDING of Superstar, nothing subsequent without the great Murray Head.)
Anyhoo, I was listening to the awesome Judas's Death track and I was all, "You know, I think it's really true that Judas got a raw deal because if he didn't deliver Jesus to the Romans he would never have been put to death and he HAD to be put to death in order to save mankind."
And my boyfriend goes, "No, God gave everybody free will and that's the important part of the story. Judas made the choice."
And I was like, "Well, why did Jesus say to Pilate, 'You have nothing in your hands, every power you have comes to you from far beyond, everything is fixed and you can't change it....?," and my boyfriend goes, "That's not part of Catholic theology [the tradition we were both raised in]," and I was like, "It is RIGHT IN THE LYRICS BY TIM RICE, who was clearly inspired by The Holy Spirit just as Mel Gibson was when he created The Passion of the Christ and its sequel The Passion Recut."
My boyfriend goes, "Look, if you really think everything is pre-ordained and that you have no free will, which is exactly the whole point of the story of people like Judas and Pilate, and by the way, they are STORIES used to teach lessons, then you're a Calvinist."
I was furious. Do you guys think I should stay mad?
I only wanna know now.
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#1
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:38amAlways thought you more as Hobbes
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#2
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:39amno, anyone willing to be your "boyfriend" is a keeper. never let him go. (i.e. unlock the chains)
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re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#3
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:43amYou guys are both right. But you can see why I'm upset, right?
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#4
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:44amI like family circus better. PJ is the funniest character. They should bring that comic to broadway. Musto or Dame could play the dad
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#5
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:50am
Everybody loves Family Circus because it is just as theologically sound as Jesus Christ Superstar. Like when they show God as a man with a big white beard who lives on a cloud. But, if THAT God is up there on the cloud making Jeffy blame Barfy for eating the "birfday cake," is it really Jefffy's fault? Not really, I say. I think the truth is that God pretty much made Jeffy do it, and even made him blame Barfy rather than taking responsibility for it.
Of course, as Pilate sang, "But what is truth, is truth unchanging law? We both have truths, is mine the same as yours?"
I'm more confused than ever. I wish Garfield were more theological.
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#6
Posted: 3/19/05 at 10:55amWell Barfy contains the word Barf, which was a character in Mel Brook's "spaceball" - half man/half dog. Dog, as you know is G-d backwards. Also the idea of half man, half a dyslexic g-d would bring a whole new enlightenment to not only JCS, but Family Circus as well. So much to pontificate on a Saturday morning. Garfield could have been more theological, but for him, it was all about the 7 deadly sins with Gluttony being the biggest. Vanity a close second. Now Hi and Lois, Andy Capp and I'm sure you're favorite, Beattle Bailey (was he the first don't ask/don't tell cartoon?) - that's another story
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#7
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:04am
I singled out Garfield because he really has a way of boiling weighty issues down to their essence. I would very much enjoy his take on the whole pre-ordained/free will debate but primarily because I think Garfield would come down on my side rather than my boyfriend's.
I agree with you on every single point, Craig, and would very much enjoy it if as a special Easter Sunday full color comic pages event, each of the major comic strips illustrated one of The Stations of the Cross.
For example, I'd like to see Opus's take on The Fifth Station, "Simon Helps Jesus Carry The Cross" because Opus is actually a very determined penguin, always willing to pitch in.
The Archie comic strip would of course have to illustrate The Sixth Station, "Veronica Wipes the Face of Jesus."
"Jesus Meets His Mother" goes to the "Momma" strip.
And so on. Since the various artists would of course be guided by The Holy Spirit, these strips too would be pre-ordained by God, but I'm still not sure that makes me a Calvinist.
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#8
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:13am
I ask you - where are the jewish comics? How many of the tride and true funny pages were riddled with Chanukkah celebrations. Certainly not Nancy or The Wizard of Id. I think you should take your request to G-Larson. Far Side is where your message needs to be heard. Only Larson can make that happen. Well, Gary and Musto. Ok well maybe Gary, Musto and Edna. Ok. Gary, Musto, Edna and Vilanch. But only those men. Oh wait... Gary, Musto, Edna, Vilanch and Gerard.
wait. what was the question?
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re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#9
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:17amA Calvinist? I can see why you're upset, Namo. But keep it in perspective...I'm sure you've been called worse.
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#10
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:24am
Well, I imagine a Gloria Vanderbiltist or a Jordacheist would be a couple of devastating things to be called, but a CALVINIST?
Craig, do NOT look to The Wizard of Id or most especially BC for any of your Jewish comic strip needs. Johnny Hart has gone right around the bend in his Born Again Christiandom and has turned those strips into things slightly less funny than Mallard Filmore.
Is Trudeau a Jewish name?
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#11
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:34amNamo. It's not the artist that need be jewish, it's the comic. Leveaux's not jewish and he directed Fiddler - which you know stars Harvey Fierstein. Harvey!
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#12
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:37am
I'd like to see Harvey take over Peanuts, but Charles Schultz's family wants to quote honor his wishes unquote and not allow anybody else to do the strip. But what about the Peanuts characters' right to life, I ask you?
Now Schultz, if you ask me, THERE was a frickin Calvinist.
I'm also pretty sure he was very sympathetic to Jewish people in Peanuts. Remember how Pigpen played the innkeeper in A Charlie Brown Christmas? That character would have had to have been a Jewish man.
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#13
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:39am
Are you getting anti-semetic now? Why should the innkeeper be jewish? Because he wouldn't allow Mary and Joseph in? I see what you're getting at. Calvinist!
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#14
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:44am
OMGoodness, no, I did not mean it that way. I just thought he had one of those Hannakuh (or is it "Channukah?" I really don't mean to offend anybody by spelling it wrong and figure if I don't ask I will not be informed) candelabrums in the background and because he said to Frida upon learning that the dirt hovering around him might have been there since the era of King Nebakanezer, "Kind of makes you want to treat me with more respect, doesn't it?"
And the reason I assumed THAT meant he was Jewish is that those are the EXACT words that every Jewish man I have met in a bathhouse has said to me when he dropped his towel.
[FYI, my answer in those situations has always been YES!]
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#15
Posted: 3/19/05 at 11:51amI love the part when Nebakenezer is visited by Jacob Marley. Talk about a life changing moment of spirituality. Don't you think Bierko would make a great Marley?
re: My boyfriend just called me a Calvinist!#16
Posted: 3/19/05 at 12:05pmI never even knew Scrooge was a Jewish name. But MAN was he cheap. On the other hand, as a Calvinist, I realize it's not his fault, it was all pre-ordained.
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