"No Credible Evidence"

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 9:57am

Per CNN newsflash:

"Commission reports "no credible evidence" that al Qaeda and Iraq cooperated in 9/11 attacks on United States."

What a surprise....

[orion59]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 10:23am

Ypou've got to be kidding. Sad thing is, I know you're not.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 10:57am

There is credible evidence that Iraq (and Saudi Arabia for that matter) has allowed terrorists to live and train for their deadly missions within their borders for years.

This includes the full support of the nations infrastructure. Including protection from police, and provision of essential services such as power and water.

Just because there's no picture of Osama and Saddam signing a contract doesn't mean that these countries didn't support training camps and movements of killers.

Updated On: 6/16/04 at 10:57 AM

[Plum]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:11am

Saudi Arabia, yes. It's blazingly obvious (and has been for years) that they house and assist terrorists. Just look at the nationalities of most of the 9/11 hijackers. Afghanistan, yes, definitely. The camps were there as proof. But Iraq? I'm sure it housed terrorist sympathizers, but I've never heard of any evidence of training camps. Care to provide a link, ckeaton?

Trust me, I hated Sadaam's Iraq as much as the next person and probably more, having lived in Israel during the Gulf War. But the downright dishonest way the Bush administration tried to connect Iraq to 9/11 to fulfill some personal vendetta is just disgusting. This is the guy who claimed to be the honest, anti-Clinton President. What bull****.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:22am

A google reveals the following...

Iraq's Terrorist Involvement in Israel:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2003/1/Iraq-s%20Involvement%20in%20the%20Palestinian%20Terrorist%20Ac

Overview>http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2003/1/Iraq-s%20Involvement%20in%20the%20Palestinian%20Terrorist%20Ac>http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2003/1/Iraq-s%20Involvement%20in%20the%20Palestinian%20Terrorist%20Ac

Overview of state sponsored terrorism (scroll to Iraq):
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/2441.htm


I'm>http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/2441.htm>http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/2441.htm


I'm not sure if you'll consider these "credible" or not. But the logic still stands. Iraq's leadership created an evil place. If executed successfully, the "new" Iraq will be a great player on the world's stage. I cannot agree that this was all for naught.

The politics of what happened in America, who said what, who needed "convincing"... that's all politics.

It reminds me of WWII. If the U.S. had stepped in earlier, would things have been different? What if Japan had never bombed Pearl Harbor. How many innocents would be tortured and killed before the U.S. decided to use its incredible power to bring about some good?

I don't like war. I would much rather have my cousin home to enjoy his first Father's Day with the son he hasn't met yet. But we both understand that what he's doing is right and just. The original motivations might not have been, but the result will be good nonetheless.

Updated On: 6/16/04 at 11:22 AM

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:51am

Neither of those sources prove or even document that Iraq is supporting Al Quaeda.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 12:21pm

Al Quaeda, no. But terrorism, yes.
As I thought I pointed out in one of the preceding posts, I'm not arguing that there is a tangible link between Saddam and bin Laden... I'm arguing that Saddam was harboring terrorists and terrorist activity, which can be proven. Chalk it up to a war on terror.

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 12:24pm

How about chalk it up to another lie told to the American people.

[HotTicket]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 12:35pm

CNN=Al Jazeera in my book

[ckeaton]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 12:35pm

Call it as you see it. Either way, it happened... is happening.

[Plum]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 2:13pm

Alright, I misspoke. Yes, Iraq sponsors terrorism, mostly against Israel. Of course, it's easier to list which surrounding countries don't support terrorism against Israel. Is the U.S. going to attack all of them?

I don't think so.

Iraq didn't attack the U.S. and didn't sponsor terrorists that attacked U.S. targets. Here's a quote about Iraq from the very URL you put up, ckeaton:

The regime has not attempted an anti-Western terrorist attack since its failed plot to assassinate former President Bush in 1993 in Kuwait.

The war against Iraq was, and is, an unjustified waste of resources and lives. At this point, I'm all for staying in there and finishing what we started by democratizing the country. But we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. End. Of. Story.

But don't take it from me-I highly recommend you read "Against All Enemies." Maybe you'll believe the country's former anti-terrorism czar.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 4:53pm

This thread just produced the loveliest image:

Church in a small Texas town...

Inappropriately dressed redheaded woman (who bears a striking resemblance to Lana, the sex-starved upstairs neighbor on "Three's Company") stands up and reveals she was once JFK's lover.

Fully robed Southern Baptist Revival choir sings:

"Puzzliiiiiiiin' Eh-vuh-DENCE!"



anybody with me on this?

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 5:03pm

Awwwww. I loved TRUE STORIES! A great forgotten film.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 6:21pm

the findings of the panel which are being touted are specific to iraqi involvement in 9/11. they are not a general dismissal of any connections between saddam hussein's iraq and al qaeda. the panel takes great pains to be specific as to their findings and it's quite comical to watch those findings distorted by journalists who either failed logic or never were required to take the course.

[nyctopone]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:08pm

Face facts - Bush , the idiot president, lied. Big surprise since his administration has been nothing but lies and deceipt. Or, typical republican politics.

[~FloweryFriend~]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:11pm

Okay, calm down.
Look at the bunny! Look at the bunny! Look at the bunny!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/16/04 at 11:16pm

your facts, find the specific lies and the uncontrovertable proof that he was intentionally misleading the american public and not acting in good faith on flawed intelligence.

[Plum]

Posted: 6/17/04 at 6:16pm

Don't be the bunny. :)