Pelosi on Impeachment and Defending the Constitution: It's Just Not Worth It- Page 2
Pelosi on Impeachment and Defending the Constitution: It's Just Not Worth It
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#25nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 9:54am
a-duh.
The only people that fail to understand that are the democrats.
#26nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 12:32pm
>> would that be kennedy's war or johnson's war that they passed off onto tricky dick? and if vietnam was nixon's war, will that make iraq the next president's war?
Probably not, since this was so clearly a great big ol' Bush Production. And just because Nixon was so stupid not to realize the futility of Vietnam certainly doesnt excuse his actions on it while in office. He could have gotten us out at any time. He chose not to; in fact he escalated it to the same absurdity as Bush's foray into Otehr Parts Of The World We Should Just Freaking Leave Alone.
Further, if you do a little remedial history,you'll know we were started sending troops there back in 1954, so we *could* call it Eisenhower's war that Kennedy and Johnson inherited.
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#27nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 3:33pmHuh? Nixon ended both the war and the draft, and continually ordered major troop withdrawals. He also lowered the voting age to 18. All things I remember, vividly.
#28nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 4:22pmsince american military mission was established and advisors went there in '50 along with $15m in military aid for the frogs we could also call it truman's war.
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mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#29nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 4:53pmBut back to your point Papa. Democrats will be blamed for this Iraq mess.
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#30nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/12/07 at 4:55pmBUT it will be SO MUCH FUN to see how FAST the Republicans completely distance themselves from Iraq once a Democratic President is in charge. My guess is they will be demanding he get us out of Iraq while President Obama is still thinking about what color the new oval office rug should be.
HDThoreau2
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/11/06
#31Cheney For President
Posted: 7/12/07 at 5:16pmI am sorry that the people you elected have let you down. I guess you'll have to elect 'em again as the lesser of two evils.
#33Cheney For President
Posted: 7/12/07 at 7:23pm
>> Huh? Nixon ended both the war and the draft, and continually ordered major troop withdrawals.
Because he had no other choice. By then it was patently obvious that Vietnam was a failed enterprise, but he have it his best shot and implemented his own version of a "surge" before finally throwing in the towel. The final years of Vietnam were messy and ugly, just as they are in Iraq now.
>> since american military mission was established and advisors went there in '50 along with $15m in military aid for the frogs we could also call it truman's war.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Sorry, no. That was considered the *first* Indochina war, which we fought along side France as part of our SEATO treaty obligation. If it has a parallel today, it would be Desert Storm the Prequel back in 90. What we call the Vietnam war actually started as the *second* Indochina war, initiated in 1954.
Hey HD: enlisted yet? C'mon, bud: your country *needs* you.
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#34Cheney For President
Posted: 7/12/07 at 8:45pmNixon ran his campaign on ending the draft and war. He began troop withdrawals, as soon as he possibly could.
#35Cheney For President
Posted: 7/12/07 at 9:39pminteresting how that money and advisors in 1950 could have been part of a treaty (seato) that was not even in existence until 1954. would ya like to go for double jeopardy where the scores can really pile up?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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#36Cheney For President
Posted: 7/13/07 at 7:01am
>> interesting how that money and advisors in 1950 could have been part of a treaty (seato) that was not even in existence until 1954. would ya like to go for double jeopardy where the scores can really pile up?
Well, you're right -- but only to a point. From Wikipedia: "By 1949, however, the United States became concerned about the spread of communism in Asia, particularly following the end of the Chinese Civil War, and began to strongly support the French as the two countries were bound by the Cold War Mutual Defense Programme." (my emphasis)
In other words, we got involved because of treaty entanglements. But that doesnt change the FACT that what we call the Vietnam War (or, as the Pentagon refers to it, the Vietnam Policing Action) was a separate incident from the one you cite.
Any more tap dancing questions about history you'd like to dance around?
#37nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/13/07 at 7:32amnah, i just like pointing out yer errors. but do endeavor to find some facts that help ya.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#38nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/13/07 at 8:41am
I did. Right now you're just sitting there tap dancing because you werw wrong.
Deal with it.
#39nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/13/07 at 9:25amyou sound like roxy when he hits a phrase he likes. but do carry one, i see it's important to you.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#40nancy says no dice to the noose and torch bearing angry mob outside
Posted: 7/13/07 at 10:18amYeah, what a pity that you find you cant. Go get a real life, little boy; let the adults discuss without you.
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