Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
papa, I think the Grand Jury is still in session?
always the optimist, brd, always the optimist.
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
I actually do not know the answer. Is it still sitting?
as far as i know they are. i don't believe they actually met today.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
i think it will be announced @ 4:45 pm on friday of memorial day weekend.
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
n69n, Pat does not play politics, he would not shape an announcement around any schedule but the jury and his.
Anyone say Wednesday the 23rd?
From tonight's HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS:
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CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC ANCHOR: Welcome back to Hardball. In the CIA leak case against Vice President Cheney's chief of staff Scooter Libby, there are new documents tonight that are raising questions about the possible role of Cheney himself in the actions that led to the outing of a CIA operative. Libby has filed legal pleadings in court saying that he never saw a key document with the Vice President's handwriting on it. If Libby didn't see that document, who did?
Hardball correspondent David Shuster reports.
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DAVID SHUSTER, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Former federal prosecutors say it's a position that increases the odds Vice President Cheney will be called as a prosecution witness in the perjury case against his former chief of staff Scooter Libby.
In the latest pre-trial documents, Libby argues he does not remember seeing Cheney's handwritten notes about the CIA's Valerie Wilson on a column by her husband, administration critic Joe Wilson. Quote, "On Libby's first day of grand jury testimony, when asked if he recalled this particular document with the Vice President, Mr. Libby testified 'I don't recall that... I subsequently learned that the Vice President had such an article from the FBI agents who talked to me.'"
Libby also denied disclosing Valerie Wilson's identity to reporters. And for that testimony, he is facing charges of perjury.
In his latest filing, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald suggests the Cheney notes are important because they show Libby's boss was personally focused on Valerie Wilson's role at the CIA. Fitzgerald writes about quote, "The level of attention being paid by the defendant and others to responding to Mr. Wilson."
But Libby's legal team says quote, "these arguments are tantamount to an acknowledgment that the state of mind of witnesses other than Mr. Libby will be important to trial." And Libby argues he is quote, "entitled to any documents that mention Ms. Wilson that are contained in the files of other government officials."
Still, Libby's inability to remember the Cheney notes raises questions. If the chief of his office did not see the Vice President's notes, who were they intended for? Conversations between Cheney and other white house officials have remained under seal.
Meanwhile, legal experts say the latest Libby filing could be telling for what the defense does not argue. Libby does not challenge the prosecution statement that on the day columnist Robert Novak first disclosed Valerie Wilson's identity, a quote "CIA official discussed in the defendant's presence the dangers posed by disclosure of the CIA affiliation of one of its employees as had occurred in the Novak column. This evidence directly contradicts the defense position."
A former federal prosecutor says the Government's point about Libby is simple.
SCOTT FREDERICKSEN, former federal prosecutor: "He knew he may have violated the law. And that gave him motive, according to the government, to lie to the grand jury and before that to lie to the FBI."
SHUSTER: Prosecution documents indicate Valerie Wilson's classified status will be a key issue in the government's case. Prosecutors will attempt to show Libby knew about Wilson's status before talking with reporters. The defense will try and shore up Libby's claim of having learned about Wilson from reporters by seeking testimony, according to defense documents, from CIA spokesman Bill Harlow.
Both sides in the Libby case have several weeks before they will file the next set of pleadings. And that could help free up prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and his staff to focus on one key unresolved issue in the overall investigation -- the status of presidential advisor Karl Rove.
It's now been 26 days since Rove testified to the grand jury for the 5th time. Defense lawyers say prosecutors remain focused on Rove's claim of a bad memory regarding a conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper. Rove's legal team and former prosecutors tracking the investigation expect Patrick Fitzgerald to announce a decision at any time.
SCOTT FREDERICKSEN, former federal prosecutor: "Right now is when we would expect the meetings to be wrapped up with his own staff, for him to make the preliminary decision, for him to reach out to Rove's counsel to have the final conversation, or to notify him he is not going forward or to notify him we are going to indict."
SHUSTER: (on-camera) "The CIA leak grand jury is scheduled to meet again this Wednesday. As for Scooter Libby, whose lawyers are focusing on his criminal trial, one broad issue they've noted will not be part of the case. Libby's legal team says that in front of a jury drawn from residents of liberal Washington, D.C., defending the Bush administration's case for war would be foolish and self destructive, regardless of whether the trial features testimony from Vice President Cheney. I'm David Shuster, for Hardball, in Washington.
um, did anyone have the 23rd? anyone? anyone? bueller? bueller? bueller?
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
Whew, I have been holding my breath since noon for your post papa!
brd, i was out running errands, buddy. but, i feel just awful makin' ya hold yer breath like that!
The grand jury met today but on other matters. Rove is still "In Jeopardy."
See my thread entitled "NY Observer on Libby, Cheney, Fitzgerald, Bush" for the latest on Plamegate.
NY Observer on Libby, Cheney, Fitzgerald, Bush
wow, it's starting to feel like an episode of 24.
get yer dibs in now on the last 2 originally stated days folks.
are we getting new dates? i mean since all of the listed dates have passed without any indictment.
I know! And he's in even DEEPER water now!
And so is Cheney...
Which one of the Republican RATS will turn on the other?
And the beat goes on, the beat goes on!
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da...
hunh, i was sure you'd have gone for gypsies, tramps and thieves there.
So it's true what they say about you? You have a fave Cher song?
Anyone want to pick Monday, June 19?
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
I will put one dollar on Monday June 19.
Stand-by Joined: 11/7/05
Why Monday 19th, pj? Do you know something we don't?
brd, yer on for a buck and i don't even know what the super secret info pj has might be. but now that i'm in, spill it, pj.
I can't betray my high-level Republican sources.
i have asked you before to leave ken mehlman alone. he's just not that into you.
Papa! The NERVE of you! Ken Mehlman's as straight as YOU are.
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"I’m not gay. But those stories did a number on my dating life for six months"-- Republican Party Chair Ken Mehlman, responding to a question about his sexual orientation following the White House correspondents dinner last weekend (New York Daily News, May 2)
yeah, ok, ken.
gayest. administration. ever.
...since the FIRST Bush administration....
HOMOSEXUAL CHILD PROSTITUTION RING INVOLVING GEORGE BUSH SR.
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