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#1

Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 2:36pm

The words "pretentious" and "self indulgence" have been brandied about lately when describing art and this has me somewhat concerned. Usually what they are critiquing is merely original or deep and thus they resort to a word like "pretentious" to make themselves seem hip and smart, while they do hate the object in question.

But this raises an issue.

Isn't ALL art pretentious? All music, films, books, and paintings are ALL pretentious. They are forcing you to spend several minutes of your life imbibing, and then later thinking about, them.
#2

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 2:38pm

Yes, unless it's booked into a New York Piano Bar?cabaret - then it's just crap!
#6

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 2:45pm

Well, it will be crap before it will be pretentious!

Hard to be pretentious when you talk about sex and getting drunk!
johnraymondbarker.com
#7

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 2:46pm

JRB - You have 40 YEARS of crap to undo!!!

I plan on being there and you know enough about me that I won't write a 400 word, nonsensical post loaded with gooey, cloying, vomit inducing praise if I don't like it, just because you are a decent guy!!

Updated On: 8/28/05 at 02:46 PM

#10

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 2:51pm

40 years of Crap at the DUPLEX to undo - silly!!! 40 years of awful shows: Bad singers: Gay themed show vomit!!!

and you look 14 - !!

Updated On: 8/28/05 at 02:51 PM

#11

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 3:05pm

Well, robbiej's shows have done a great job of breaking banality!

And, I'm sure there have been others who have done brilliant jobs.

But, if I were to actually create something new and thrilling--I'll gladly take the credit. Though robbie will prob cut me.
johnraymondbarker.com
#12

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 3:10pm

Jrb, try to hang outside one night - when all the doors are open and regular people hear the crap being shated out like exlax - they are laughing - laughing - at what they are hearing...what people forget it is, there is a GREAT BIG WORLD outside this city and if one wants to work in it, one better stay away from those piano bars...

If they are laughing on Christopher Street they are gonna boo in Sheboygain!!

The upper room is closed so that's one good thing!!
#14

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 3:14pm

GOOD!!!!! Do not go near the piano bar!!!!
#15

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:21pm

Good lord! I'd like to think that what I did at the Duplex was neither pretentious nor crap...and it most certainly was not gay-themed (but to each his/her own). Best of luck, Jerby!
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
#16

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:21pm

i hate piano bars.
especially the one at the monster.
the one in the corner with all the queens screeching show tunes at the top of their lungs.
damn i hate that place.
#17

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:46pm

the house began to pitch and then to twitch!! OY!

I think I'm turning straighter by the moment!
#18

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:48pm

Red hot _ i'm sure you were great I meant no one specific - I just stated what I saw!!

Hope you are well and all is going foward with your new job world!!!Keep that positive chin up!!
#19

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:52pm

Putting a show together is hard work, I applaud anyone who takes the time to create and share their talents, it's always the bitter bottom feeders who throw stone and shoot hollow arrows. Some people around here define "pretentiousness" and only seek attention by being negative. Good news is, that kind of manic shouting out of emotional windows is always transparent.

Mr. Voiceanth, you've got too many years of eye rolling queen under you're belt to ever be straight gurrlfriend! *SNAP* But you have nice arms, so I'll give you a pass!
Unfledge them of their...perriwigs, And they appear like bald-cootes, in the nest. Beaumont, Knt. Malta, (1616).
#20

re: Pretentiousness

Posted: 8/28/05 at 4:55pm

did someone say something I have a horde of people blocked so I never can tell!!

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