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[SamIAm]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 11:37am

Mister Matt: Bush jumping in to praise Arnold? Yeah, right! He will stay as far away from this as possible and hope that his dyed in the wool, hard right wing Christian contingent doesn't notice what those flakey Republican Californians did

[SamIAm]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 11:42am

If Kerry goes down (and by the way I don't find him perfect by any means) we will have four more years of Bush and by the time his term ends ALL countries will hate us (instead of the 30 out of 35 that have already expressed that opininion in polls) and we will have no civil liberties left...the government will be in our bodies and King George will declare that marriage between a man and a woman is the only way you are allowed to go. What about the Mormons? I don't know...we didn't address actual numbers of wives did we? Then there's always alternate sources of fuel and drilling in Alaska...and being tied to the Middle East by our gas guzzling vehicles (COMPLETE WITH TAX breaks provided by George)...and the economy...let's not forget that. We in NY are still digging out from under 9/11 with no forseeable break. Jobs were created in service sectors and professional jobs are now paying 1/4 of what they used to pay.

I have friends who went to school with Bush and did his college homework so he could actually graduate and he still got a C. It that's what the caliber we want running the country (with strings pulled by a bunch of militant, right wingers) then more power to you...I for one am scared out of my mind by the prospect of four more years of this guy.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 11:47am

I've got to respond to the idea of Kerry taking both sides of every issue.

Every time a senator has run for president, these charges get run against them. The truth of the matter is that bills are loaded with reasons to vote for and against. Rarely is a senate bill not loaded with something. So, consequentially, every senator ends up "flip flopping".

Just FYi to those who don't understand the politics of the federal senate.

Also, I LOVE that the RNC had prime time speeches by essentially democrats. It's like the republicans are trying to pass themselves off as democrats...in order to gain votes. Shameful. Hopefully Kerry will start calling them on it.

Updated On: 9/15/04 at 11:47 AM

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 12:20pm

exactly

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 12:32pm

along those lines of cali maybe possibly doubtfully being in play, d, what does the 9/15 quinnipiac poll of new york say about kerry's strength?

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11372.xml

and touch, could that be a reason why the last president we had who parlayed extensive experience in either house of congress into the white house was nixon? sure, georgie's dad did 2 terms in congress, but that's only four years. heck one term as a senator's longer than that. ford did 25 years in congress, but he was the vp and just slid in and was soundly defeated in the election. i'm not saying it's right and if you read my post i said that kerry took both sides of issues by "necessity" but in the information era how can a candidate with an extensive history and without a force of personality a la john mccain run against his own record?

Updated On: 9/15/04 at 12:32 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:34pm

you mean the "bush supporting electoral-vote.com" that's run by an avowed kerry supporter?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/welcome.html

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:36pm

Well then what did he mean when he said in his daily comments either yesterday or the day before--that good news for him was that Kerry was not going to win Oklahoma? I thought that sounded fishy.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:41pm

in the information era how can a candidate with an extensive history and without a force of personality a la john mccain run against his own record?

i don't know, ask bush. He has little to no presidential personality, and a proven track record for screwing thing up. My main point is two-fold...one, Kerry's record speaks for itself...it is an ideology apart from signing onto bills that read in news blurbs as good for his constituency -- perhaps we could spin this as electing an honest man instead of spinning it as an indecisive man?

The second point is a response to the flip flop allegations that we all new from day one would be levied...mainly because they are levied EVERY time a senator is up for election...the flip flop. The last elected senator was JOHN F KENNEDY. That's a trend if I ever saw one. Point being...the flip flop defensive move works well for the republicans. But, it is not honest. And, we all know the senate is a decidedly different place than the house...so, the allegation that house members have been electable since JFK is moot.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:44pm

jrb, he was talking about the fact that there's little or no chance of kerry winning ok, so his credibility was in question by the fact that his model had it going that way because of out of date polls. sheesh. you really see republicans in the cupboards don't ya? read it again.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/sep/sep14.html

and look at the rest of the links on the site. i think he makes it pretty clear where his allegiances lie. but then according to a good friend of mine, i'm a moron because i'll be voting for bush.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:45pm

well, ya are ya know!

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:50pm

voting for bush =

-denying me my rights as a human being on a systematic level. history will not treat this kindly.

-encouraging unilateral war without ANY precident.

-encouraging large corporations to expand themselves outside of the US, and allowing them to harm other nations with non-living wages and environmental distruction.

-(appropo to this board) decreasing arts funding EVEN MORE!!

-many others i dont have time or the will to list. this should be enough to convince anyone to not harm our country more.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:54pm

yes, but i'll be the one celebrating on nov. 3rd. keep calling me a moron and i'll have to denounce you when i name names before the soon to be convened house anti-bush activities committee.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:56pm

oh bring it!

And, we'll see who will be celebrating the night of November 2 and for the next four years...don't get too cocky just yet.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:58pm

I don't know, all you rabid Kerryites - he's not doing it for me. And I'm as gay and Democrat-leaning as any of you. I don't like Bush, but Kerry better do some major stepping up if he's going to win this election, and fast.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 2:59pm

papa - not to put too fine a point on it, but if you're the one celebrating for the next four years, many of us are going to spend that time scrambling to protect what few rights we have cobbled together.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:03pm

rath...what is it that you don't like about Kerry? Be specific.

I find that most people who don't like Kerry (I was one for awhile) are just victims of the fear-based propoganda that the right and Nader are using.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:06pm

What I don't like isn't specific, and that's the problem he's going to have with the rest of the country. Where is he right now? What is he doing? I don't see him anywhere, I'm not hearing from him...I want to see SOMETHING.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:09pm

I believe your problem is with the media, not Kerry, then.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:10pm

Ultimately--that he isn't Bush is PLENTY for me, but I actually do like the man and his wife. I also like Edwards and his wife. I feel like we will be in very capable hands--for the first time in 4 years.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:13pm

I disagree. My problem is not with the media. It's mid-September. I want to see his face, hear his voice everywhere. The media doesn't have a block on Kerry. He's a candidate for President. I don't want to have to go seek him out. I want him seeking me out. I want to feel he is a strong personality. I'm not getting that.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 3:15pm

Rath - they're focussing their attention on the places that are contentious. New York has been accepted as Kerry country, so there's not much being presented there.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 6:12pm

d, you know i don't think that it will be as bad as you think. that sounds like a pathetic endorsement, but it's the way i feel. i want to feel safer and i don't trust kerry with my safety. i have heard all the arguments, trust me, and none of them sway me a bit. i don't trust john kerry with the safety of the country. i would have trusted edwards (even with pretty much no foreign policy experience). johnny e might have made me vote democrat. not kerry. if this is how he runs a freakin' campaign imagine what the country would have in store. no thanks.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 6:26pm

What sways you that Bush will make you safe? I can't think of a single compelling reason.

I think Kerry is running a pretty good campaign...the problem is the media is not covering his steps b/c he is not doing anything stunt-like. With the media the way it is, I believe political campaigns need to change with the times. I'm sure he'll get a big surge at the end...I have no doubts.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 7:06pm

touch. patriot act, good or bad?

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 9/15/04 at 7:53pm

papa,

it served its purpose. lets get rid of it now.