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#1

That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:03pm

Many shows are pure "escapist" entertainment with no heavy plot to contend with (CATS, HELLO, DOLLY!, GREASE, etc.)

OTHER shows are a little more serious-minded that have a definite issue that they want to portray to their audiences, such as--

GYPSY - You can't live your life through other people's

FOLLIES - You can't go back and "recreate" the past

MAN OF LA MANCHA - You can't achieve the impossible unless you first attempt to achieve it

etc.

WHICH type of musical do you prefer viewing?

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#2

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:11pm

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"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#3

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:12pm

I like my musical to have songs.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#4

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:20pm

I prefer the deeper, darker shows with guts and heart...the "fluff" rarely appeals to me at all - I can get a good laugh anywhere - but when I pay good money to see a show, I like it to have a staggering affect on me. My favorite musical is Man of La Mancha (and I've done several productions of it over the years)...it never ceases to amaze and educate me. The story is profound. I also love all Sondheim because he forces his audience to use their brains AND their hearts - he makes you think and feel at the same time. I love that.
You couldn't pay me to see stuff like Mama Mia or Cats - (I should edit that - I've seen Cats and you couldn't pay me to sit in a theatre and watch it again)..or almost anything by LLoyd Webber at all. In fact, the only LLoyd Webber shows I've liked at all are Evita and Superstar. Give me a good dark show like Sweeney Todd or Parade or Passion any day over the broadway sparkle..I like to be challanged by a production and feel that I've come away from the theatre a better person.

"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!

#5

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:22pm

MY THOUGHTS precisely, RedHot.

Each time I listen to the FOLLIES recording, I learn something more about the folly of human nature.

(I don't really feel all that illuminated after hearing Betty Buckley sing "Memory!") :)

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#6

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:23pm

Well redhot, sounds like you're the perfect audience member for FIDDLER ON THE ROOF, starring yours truly as Hodel, Sunday, December 19th at 12:30 and 4:30 p.m. at the 14th Street Y! PM me for tix!

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#7

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:25pm

I quote--from the best of my knowledge--Stephen Sondheim: "Every good musical is about something important, and that's including GUYS AND DOLLS."

"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ~ Muhammad Ali

#8

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:26pm

I don't mind floof as long as it's well-crafted floof. Even if it doesn't make me think much, I like to see that thought has been put into it.

#9

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:30pm

Yes, Borstal.

I think GUYS AND DOLLS has a very "feminist slant"--especially for the early 1950s.

After seven aborted attempts, Adelaide finally gets Nathan to marry her.

Sarah transforms Sky from a real "player" to a Salvation Army Worker!

(And it's all laid out in that clever 11 o'clock number, "Marry The Man Today.")

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#10

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:31pm

I find "Marry the Man Today" to be pretty horrifying as a worldview, actually.

#11

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:32pm

I agree, Plum, and it's also just an extremely annoying piece of music.

Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson

#12

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:32pm

Plum,

Would you be so good as to give us an example as to what you mean by "well-crafted fluff" so we have a better understanding of your post?

Thanks!!! :)

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#13

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:33pm

t & a, baby! gimme boobies flop floppping and firm round bottoms and i'm a happy camper! what was the question again?

r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#14

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:35pm

IMO,

"Marry The Man Today" is not about sitting back and letting back and LETTING bad things happen to you--it's all about taking CONTROL of the situation and getting WHAT YOU WANT out of it.

I think I do see your point, Plum, the fact its a song about people changing other people--but again IMO, sometimes for a relationship to work, each partner has to "give a little."

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#15

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:36pm

Anything Goes is a masterpiece of well-crafted fluff. Today, I'd say The Producers falls under that category.

#16

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:40pm

I see your point, Plum--and its well taken.

If a musical is there just to entertain but does it in a thoroughly accomplished manner--I believe these shows are worthy to be viewed as well. (After all, sometimes you have to have a little dessert in life!)

P.S. Another example of "well-crafted fluff" I would definitely add to the list is A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM.

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#17

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:56pm

..

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#18

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:02pm

Are the letters B U M and P broken on your keyboard or something?

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#19

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:09pm

...

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#20

re: That's Entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:17pm

The thread didn't need bumping so what was your point this time? Would you be so good as to enlighten so I have a better understanding of your post? Thanks!!!:)

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#21

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:24pm

doesn't bump stand for beautiful uppity mutant popcultureboy? silly, he's flirting.

r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

#22

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:25pm

No it doesn't papa.

Nothing precious, plain to see, don't make a fuss over me. Not loud, not soft, but somewhere inbetween. Say sorry, just let it be the word you mean.

#23

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:28pm

eh, my mistake.

r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective

#24

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:35pm

....

"I say YOU'RE the CUTEST one. No, I say YOU'RE the CUTEST One. And we go on like that from dawn to three."

#25

re: that's entertainment?

Posted: 11/12/04 at 1:39pm

The more music the better for me. I like less talking!

It started with a sipmle idea, collecting one paper clip for every life lost, the feelings that connect us...are greater than those that divide us!

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