The Official Adam Pascal Love Thread, part eleven- Page 185

Posted: 2/24/07 at 1:48pm

I said this on another board in Facebook but people need to STOP treating actors/actressses as little play things and learn to respect them for there abilities as performers.

What are you exactly referring to with that statement, though? Do you mean people who talk exclusively about the looks of performers, people who poke fun at performers, people who express dislike of them, or... what, exactly? I don't mean this in a defensive way at all; I'm honestly just curious.

For me, I think anything that would fall into the category of treating them as "little play things" is balanced out by a definite respect for a performer's talent - this thread probably being the best example. I would venture to guess that most who discuss an actor's looks or playfully mock a performer truly have respect for the person in question on some level.

And of course, then there are "fans" who just plain suck, but I'd like to think that they're in the minority.

[Chloe]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 1:49pm

Just to be clear, brina is obviously talking about Rentsecrets rather than Seth's Chatterbox.

They're live interviews with Broadway performers which Seth Rudetsky does once a week at a club in Manhattan, and which are available on DVD (two shows each). There are an awful lot of them, so to find Adam's two appearances, look in about the middle of the page for his first, listed as Stephanie D'Abruzzo/John Tartaglia & Sherie Rene Scott/Adam Pascal, and almost at the bottom for his second, Michael McElroy & Adam Pascal.

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[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 1:54pm

Given the Facebook incident, I think she meant people who just... blatantly disrespect them, and treat them (to their faces, I suppose) like objects. I guess it all exists on a sliding scale in that you can say telling him "Adam, I want to have your babies!" is disrespectful and someone else can say "oh, there's nothing wrong with it." I think she's talking about treating them as objects and not really "objectification," whereas objectification isn't always purely a bad thing. Does that make sense? Probably not, heh. I feel awful. I'm so much sicker than I was yesterday -- I cannot stop sneezing.

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[Chloe]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 1:57pm

Sorry you're so sick, Emcee. Feel better!

I interpreted brina to mean treating performers as if they had no independent existence or feelings; in other words, as if they were fictional characters whose personalities and physical characteristics can be twisted into any shape that pleases their "makers," rather than real people.

Hope you don't mind us putting all these words in your mouth, brina!

[MotorTink]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 1:59pm

Too much intelligent convo for a Saturday afternoon, lol! I really have to check these LJ out so I know what everyone is talking about.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:00pm

Thanks! It's just a cold (for better or for worse, really -- I went to the doctor and that was the much sought-after verdict, heh) but it's one of those weird colds that has pretty drastic ups and downs from day to day. I felt almost totally okay yesterday, which was good because I was able to have a really great time at the Company CD signing.

Anyway, what you interpreted brina's post to mean is pretty much what I meant to say.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:13pm

"What's so scary about obsessive compulsive, undersexed girls in love with a celebrity they have no chance with?"

Wow, and I just started reading the first thread! Lol! People are scared of these threads, but not that site? That's shocking.

[*brina-doll*]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:14pm

I'm sorry, I should be more specific with my posts. I was talking about the Rentsecerets, as Chloe stated.

Siamese: It's difficult to say what truly bugs me about the whole secerets issue. I mean; of course everyone has there right to love/hate a person's performance in a show; or how someone may have interpreted a character. The thing that bugs me is when the start to pick on the individual performers. I mean, not like how we make fun of Adam's clothing choices or his ways; I'm refering to the people who, as Emcee said; blatantly disrespect them. There are a few secerets in particular that stand out (like the whole "You gonna get RAPED" with a picture of Anthony Rapp in it; and another which showed a fully nude picture of Taye Diggs.) It's like they have no diginity to respect performers, and thus treat them as objects, like I stated. Again; sorry I caused a little confusion; I've been known to do that.

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:19pm

I see, and you don't have to apologize! Really, I was just curious.

Maybe I'm the only one who wasn't really offended by the "I want your babies" line (and no, I wasn't the one who called that out!). I thought it was weird and immature, but I doubt the guy really cares.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:21pm

I doubt he cares either, and I don't think he was offended at all, but I guess in theory, if if he laughs it off, that doesn't mean it's okay just because he's not offended. Like you said, it was obnoxious and immature, and... the way I see it, being obnoxious and immature in itself is really disrespectful, especially when you're like... in college and should know better.

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:28pm

Yeah. I feel like obnoxious sh*t is yelled out all the time (alcohol brings out the worst in people!) at concerts, though, and some teenage girl yelling out that she wants some guy's kids is probably pretty innocuous in the grand scheme of things. I don't think it was necessarily right, but I think there's a lot more disrepect thrown around boards on the internet than some immature comment about wanting his kids.

[Ariella]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:28pm

I'm really sorry you're sick, Emcee, but very glad full enjoyment of the CD signing wasn't jeopardized yesterday Feel better.

I agree with what's being said about objectification. Fans viewing Adam objectively in the sense that he's not perfect, just human is a healthier way to approach adoration - as opposed to the sense that he's just a 2-dimensional Roger up on a pedestal.

The Rent fanbase truly is a fascinating phenomenon, and there are some unsavory elements. Rentsecrets can be funny, and I admit I'm sometimes cynically entertained as fights explode about the most trivial things - but sometimes lines do get crossed.

[sweetdisaster]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:32pm

With Facebook, I don't think the girl saying 'I want your babies' is the issue. I was more shocked about the comment that was made after the fact. It's always one thing to joke about things with friends, as I'm sure we've all done, but another to post it on a public forum. I wasn't offended- just surprised that the girl would just come out and say that (even though I'm sure she was probably being sarcastic and joking).

And I'm sure that we're all just obsessive compulsive, undersexed little girls with nothing better to do than fantasize and talk about Adam all day. (Yet, here I am)

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:33pm

Oh, it's definitely far from the worst comment ever made. What shocks me most about it is the fact that they did it person and saw no problem with it! I mean, if nothing else, I'd be embarassed! Saying stuff *about* them and *to* them is different, I guess.

I just hope I didn't spread my germs.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:34pm

Ok, I read two "secret" posts and I'm done. I don't even know how to describe it....just wow, lol! I did bookmark it though because it may provide for some good entertainment at a later date. I think that if I was in any of the actors shoes and read that site I would be very disturbed, lol!

I don't think what gets shouted out at Adam's shows is offensive, just stupid. I agree crap like that gets shouted all the time, but come on, have some respect for yourself. Prime example - water bottle incident at the Forum show.....that is a prime example of when i roll my eyes and feel sorry for that person!

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:37pm

I agree that the embarrassment factor for oneself is probably a hell of a lot bigger than anything else.

I know I've mentioned this before, but there's a video of a concert from 2001 or so where some girl passes a note to the stage. Adam reads it as, "I want your babies... wait, no, I want your water bottle." He then handed it to her and said something like, "God knows what you're going to do with it."

[*brina-doll*]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:38pm

MotorTink; exactly. I mean, my friends joke with me on how I like Adam and such; but they know I would never do stupid things like wanting his water bottles. I just roll my eyes and think 'Hellooo people, you don't know where those have been!' Le sigh...girls my age can be extremely immature.

Emcee: I'm sorry your not feeling good, get well soon

[sweetdisaster]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:45pm

I don't view it as disrespectful, but I guess it's just something I wouldn't do. I think Emcee had it right when she said that for college-aged girls to be squealing over a water bottle or yelling out 'I love you' is embarassing. I'm sure they do know better but do it anyway. Meh, I'm putting way too much thought into this...

[To The Stage!]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:46pm

Although I don't know what in particular you girls are talking about, I get the drift.

I hope you feel better Emcee! Oh, how was the CD signing? I wanted to go, but didn't make it in.

[Ariella]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:47pm

Well, some of the things that Adam's fans do are a testament to the fact that immaturity is not exclusive to teenage girls.

Adam himself probably has the best reaction. As in the example Lexi gave, he doesn't take craziness too seriously. I doubt it keeps him up at night.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:47pm

Don't get me wrong, silly fandom is normal when you are younger. When I was 12ish i was in love with James Hetfield from Metallica. I used to be part of a metallica fan board like this and spit out I love you, marry me, blah blah blah. When I look back now, it is quite embarrassing, but I was young and at least I learned from it. However, I find it odd when 16 - 20 year olds are still doing this. Yes I sit here on this board and "fan girl", but it's just innocent fun that passes time. You ladies are great to talk to, but when I leave the board I don't go kiss an Adam picture and start carving his name into my leg or anything.

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:49pm

Hah. I have a deep loathing hatred of Metallica, thanks to my ex-boyfriend. I literally threw all of their CDs (burned CDs, mind you) into the garbage when we broke up. Yes, I was a bitter woman.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:49pm

It was so much fun, Alex. The cast is wonderful.

Heh, exactly, Tink.

[MotorTink]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:55pm

Awww, Lexi, i'm sorry! They will always have a big part of my heart for the amount of years I was obsessed with them. See that is a perfect example - James is 20 years older than I am, at not time during my whole obsession did I actually believe we would one day get married, etc. Dream is a different story, but I wasn't stupid. I'm scared that some of these girls at the shows ACTUALLY believe it could happen. That skeeves me.

[sweetdisaster]

Posted: 2/24/07 at 2:56pm

Well said, Tink. I think it's easy for innocent banter here to be mistaken for obessiveness (especially from an outsider's perspective!)

I really need to get off this computer and do work. Maybe I'll lay in bed so I can stare at the life size Adam poster I have on my ceiling.