This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes

[PiraguaGuy2]

This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#1

Posted: 3/25/09 at 4:06pm

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/20/top_10_gaffes_by_barack_obama_and_joe_biden_

...Apparently people got pissed at the author for not including papa's favorite, the St. Patrick's Day gaffe. That's because in acutality, it wasn't a gaffe...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/24/the_truth_about_barack_obamas_irish_teleprompter_gaffe

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[TheatreDiva90016]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#2

Posted: 3/25/09 at 4:20pm

Those are his BIGGEST mistakes?

Who cares?

He hasn't lied (yet).

He hasn't started a war based on a lie.

And he speaks proper English.

"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2

[SporkGoddess]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#2

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:07am

He's lied plenty, even at yesterday's press conference alone. Such as when he claimed that his plan has benefits for veterans when earlier he had been wanting them to pay for their own healthcare (he dropped the idea when the vets expressed outrage).

There's another list of Obama's gaffes that was much nastier than this, released right after the press conference.

Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

Updated On: 3/26/09 at 01:07 AM

[YouWantitWhen????]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#3

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:15am

If you make stuff up Spork, people will call you on it.

There was a proposal, which considered and rightly shelved.

Please find a quote where Obama "wanted them to pay for their own healthcare". The issue was billing veterans private insurance companies.

""The President has consistently stated that he is committed to working with veterans on the details of the 2010 VA budget proposal," the White House said later. "In considering the third party billing issue, the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans; however, the President listened to concerns raised by the VSOs that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans and their families? ability to access health care. Therefore, the President has instructed that its consideration be dropped."




Wrong Again

[SporkGoddess]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#4

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:19am

Well, I meant making the private insurance companies pay for treatment of service-connected wounds, injuries, etc. This proposal would force veterans to pay for private insurance. I think that's pretty much making them pay for their own healthcare, but it seems that you disagree.

Even if you disregard that one, he's still told plenty of lies. Though, that really is just what politicians do, I'm afraid.

Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

Updated On: 3/26/09 at 01:19 AM

[YouWantitWhen????]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#5

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:24am

"plenty of lies."

OK, list them.

[SporkGoddess]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#6

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:28am

Am I allowed to link to a pre-written list like everyone used to do with Bush or do you want me to come up with my own?

Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

[YouWantitWhen????]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#7

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:33am

I am sure there are things that Obama has said that he did not follow-through on. But, I would be curious to see whether it really is a lie, or an interpretation of a position.

I am curious as to items of fact that he has misrepresented.

[SporkGoddess]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#8

Posted: 3/26/09 at 1:42am

So, would you consider his going back on his promises of no earmarks and to let bills be read for a certain number of days to be lies or another interpretation?

I'm not trying to be hostile, I'm just wondering if you would count those. If not, I'm not sure if there's anything I could say. I view those things as lies, but maybe you don't.

Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

[YouWantitWhen????]

re: This One's for You, Papalovesmambo - Top 10 Obama/Biden Gaffes#9

Posted: 3/26/09 at 2:00am

I think he said there would be review of all earmarks, and he indicted there would be no pork-barrel spending in the bill. The spending bill by definition is one big earmark.

He also provided wiggle room technically on the five-day waiting period for bills, as there was an exception provided for emergency bills. Arguably the spending bill was an emergency bill but the SCHIP bill was not. But, the SCHIP bill had been around for years, and been reviewed and available for public review and comment for years before it was signed.

So, you could validly say he broke a campaign promise, but you could also argue that the SCHIP bill was not new legislation so arguably not in need of the public review and comment that new legislation would require. Nor was it the type of legislation he was targeting with his statements.

Nevertheless, if you are looking at absolutes, yes, he broke his promise on the five-day period for non-emergency bills.



Updated On: 3/26/09 at 02:00 AM