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U.S. House OKs 'Pledge' Protection For 'Under God'

With all the issues they should be addressing, this is how they waste our time.

U.S. House OKs 'Pledge' Protection For 'Under God'


http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_200165813.html


AP) WASHINGTON The U.S. House, citing the nation's religious origins, voted Wednesday to protect the Pledge of Allegiance from federal judges who might try to stop schoolchildren and others from reciting it because of the phrase "under God."

The legislation, a priority of social conservatives, passed 260-167. It now goes to the Senate where its future is uncertain.

"We should not and cannot rewrite history to ignore our spiritual heritage," said Rep. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn. "It surrounds us. It cries out for our country to honor God."

Opponents said the legislation, which would bar federal courts from ruling on the constitutional validity of the pledge, would undercut judicial independence and would deny access to federal courts to religious minorities seeking to defend their rights.

"We are making an all-out assault on the Constitution of the United States which, thank God, will fail," said Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

The pledge bill would deny jurisdiction to federal courts, and appellate jurisdiction to the Supreme Court, to decide questions pertaining to the interpretation or constitutionality of the pledge. State courts could still decide whether the pledge is valid within the state.

The legislation grew out of a 2002 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.

The Supreme Court in 2004 reversed that decision on a technicality, saying Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow did not have legal standing to sue on behalf of his daughter because the mother had custody of the child. Newdow has since revived the case and last year a U.S. District Judge ruled in his favor.

Newdow, an attorney and medical doctor, said in an interview that he hoped the bill would pass to expose the aims of its supporters. "They're willing to ruin this country so they can keep their God in our country. I love the fact that they are having a vote." He said he expected a final ruling in his case in about a year.

Supporters argued that the "under God" phrase, added to the pledge in 1954, was intrinsic to the nation's heritage and traditions and must be shielded from unelected judges. "This is an issue that clearly resonates to what we are about as a country," said House Republican Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo.

Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., who sponsored the measure, said that denying a child the right to recite the pledge was a form of censorship. "We believe that there is a God who gives basic rights to all people and it is the job of the government to protect those rights."

Davison Douglas, a professor at the William and Mary School of Law, said constitutional scholars are divided over whether such congressional restrictions on judicial review would pass constitutional muster.

He noted that "past efforts to bar all federal court review of hot-button social issues have consistently failed. Hence, if this bill is enacted, it would be a highly significant landmark in terms of congressional efforts to control the actions of federal courts."

There is a companion Senate bill, but it is unclear whether the Senate will take it up in the current session.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that while he supported the pledge and disagreed with the 9th Circuit Court's ruling, the bill would "intrude on the principle of separation of powers, degrade our independent federal judiciary and set a dangerous precedent."

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., said the effort to strip courts of authority could come back to haunt his fellow conservatives if liberals gain control of Congress in the future. As an example, he said Congress could prevent the Supreme Court from ruling on a state's decision to ban guns.

The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said that under the bill, "religious minorities will no longer have the right to go to federal court to defend their deeply held religious beliefs."

The pledge bill was part of the House GOP's "American values agenda" that House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said would "defend America's founding principles." Another part of that agenda, a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, was defeated in the House on Tuesday.

Also on Wednesday, the House was voting on legislation that would designate a 29-foot-high cross as a federal war memorial to prevent it from being removed from public land in San Diego.




"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.

Updated On: 7/19/06 at 05:08 PM

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Ummmm..."our country's spiritual heritage??"

This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom BY settlers escaping religious persecution.

Now that I think about it, this argument is just as hypocritical as the whole "sanctity of marriage" BS.
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I do not get why they still make kids say that stupid thing every day. I recited that thing every morning from kindergarten through 6th grade, and the only thing it inspired in me was boredom. And judging from the monotonous drone of the rest of the class, they weren't getting much out of it either.
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Whenever we said it in class half of us didn't even say anything. And those that did, did it in incoherent mumbling. If you don't want to say "under god" then just don't say it, it won't hurt anyone.

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Updated On: 7/19/06 at 06:09 PM

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Not only does our school make the kids say it, but we have to say it at many district or school faculty meetings. Yes, it's recited in a droning tone mostly, but it does start the day/meeting off with an implied sense of unity. Plus, it takes all of 30 seconds.
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
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Hey, I stopped even standing up for the pledge in seventh grade. A year or two ago I made up my own version.

"One nation, under tyranny, terribly divisible and with justice for the rich and socially priveleged."


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Yeah, too bad the original 'Pledge' does not have "Under God" in it. That was added in the 1950s, I believe. I personally think it should be taken out. Not everyone is a Christian and it demoralizes are society even more, becaause we are going against our original principles. Plus, this "Heritage" they speak of was not founded in Christianity. Our Four Fathers were Deists. Man, do they have their facts wrong.
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The four fathers are: Daddy, Peeps, Pappi, Boompa
"I've lost everything! Luis, Marty, my baby with Chris, Chris himself, James. All I ever wanted was love." --Sheridan Crane "Passions" ------- "Housework is like bad sex. Every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again til the next time company comes."--"Lulu" from "Can't Stop The Music" ----- "When the right doors didn't open for him, he went through the wrong ones" - "Sweet Bird of Youth" ------------ --------- "Passions" is uncancelled! See NBC.com for more info.
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As much as I DESPISE the Republican agenda, I have to give them credit for finding and exploiting the thing that has and quite possibly will continue to maintain their power. They have tapped into the religious fundementality of the Midwest and the South and are milking it for all its worth. Everything from stem cell research,gay marriage,flag burning, and the pledge of allegiance are used under the guise of " american values and morality." Unfortunately, underneath this smoke screen they start immoral wars, fight to allow hate and prejudice for 10% of the population, create tax laws benefitting the rich, rob services from the poor and the elderly, cut funding for underpriveleged college students,send another generation off to war to die senselessly, cut the inheritance tax for millionaires, vote down a minimum wage increases while increasing their own salaries, and the list goes on ad infinitum. I only hope and pray , that these God mongers actually get a glimpse of what God REALLY is all about before the next elections. I hope that their priorities are the issues that effect the common man, and not whether or not a piece of cloth can be legally burnt or a word said in a pledge.
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Don't forget that, while "protecting our school children's freedom of speech" and granting them the privilege of saying the pledge with "under God" in it, our own Secretary of Education is backing Bush and the Republican's plan to allow vouchers for private and religious schools, flying right in the face of a recent report that shows comparable children in public schools do better than their private schools counterparts.
Faith-based initiatives. Federal funds for religious schools. It's absolutely frightening what they are trying to do.
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I find this stuff, much ado about nothing. Also, when did the word God became exclusive to Christianity? Every religion has a God. My favorite thing in the article is how Nancy Pelosi thanked God, that it would fail. I thought that was rather amusing.
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Every religion has a God

What about atheists? Scientologists? You laugh, but there is a little thing about freedom of religion. Also, the pledge doesn't say, "one nation, under god" or "a god," it says, "God." That would be the Christian God.
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What about atheists? Scientologists

Atheists isn't a religion. And, scientologists are free to practice a religious belief in a God.

I wasn't saying it shouldn't come out of the pledge or stay-in for that matter, I was saying every religion has a God. I still say it's much ado about nothing. I think it's silly that Congress is spending time and our money on this, and I find it silly that courts have spent time and money on it, as well. And, I find it funny that Pelosi used the term God, in discussing it. The fact the people here are so touchy about it, supports much ado about nothing. To me, it's all silly, and a waste of energy.
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There really isn't a bigger waste of human life, than the U.S. Congress. I really do my best to focus more on local politics. I urge everyone to do the same.

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