Will and Grace: New Season! — Page 2

They had to fire the actress who played Joey's married love interest. Not sure if they took out the character or re-cast it.

I am looking forward to Drea de Matteo though.

Jack and Karen are the reason I watch this show.

I am sorry but last season...UGH what WAS that! I understand Debra Messing was preggers and all and well ****ake happens that keeps you from being on a show but Jesus h. Jack and Karen couldn't even save some episodes for me. One thing i hated they did and i know the typical thing to do is to cover the pregnant bel with a chair, table or a bag of groceries. but the fact that they kept saying she was getting fat. I do not know. Once ok but I felt like every episode she made it in, they said it. Cause to me then it doesn't make it about the character Grace it makes it about Debra. Once would have been cute absolutely! but anymore then that and in my eyes your reaching for a laugh.

But hopefully since all that is over, lets hope it picks back up!

Updated On: 8/27/04 at 01:52 PM

any will and grace from nyc here?

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All popular shows are great in the beginning because it is a fresh new idea with new jokes etc. It is a little far fetched to think that Will is always unlucky in love. He is a doll. Jack and Karen play off each other extremely well. But to keep all the episodes fresh, I guess no new characters can stay too long. Grace nauseates me. She is so skinny with such a flat chest. I do not find Debra Messing funny at all. She overdoes it. She is trying to be like Lucille Ball. She should disappear. The maid Rosario with Karen is very funny. I think Will should get a boyfriend and Grace,Karen and Jack just date with new partners to keep it fresh.

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There are some episodes I really like: Thanksgiving and Jack auditioning for the Gay Men's Chorus, but on a whole this show just doesn't do it for me. Will & Grace are so co-dependent sometimes, it's actually too painful to watch.

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I agree with whoever liked the edgy Miro Sorvino episode. Farce, sure, but closer to Joe Orton at least. The sharpest writing, some of the funniest observations. But the heyday of the show remains, as posted, very early. The episode that won Eric an emmy -- the hour long flashback to Will's coming out -- shows you the potential, and the direction that should continue. Grace's hand-wringing marital woes with Harry are just the stuff of daytime. 1968 daytime. The hubby who is in Doctors without borders -- forget its turgid execution, this is not sitcom material in 2004 (particularly in a world where such docs are leaving Iraq and lives are being lost.) I think Messing is a gifted commedienne, and her relationship with Eric can be wonderful and real. But she got pregnant, and more worrisome: the show has always had an imbalance -- it's always seemed more critical that Grace gets laid and gets married rather than Will. Will is a gay man in his prime who ... doesn't act much like a gay man in his prime. When they don't know what to do with Will and Grace, Jack and Karen take over the show. In other words, a lot of the last two seasons it's been Karen and Jack with W & G supporting.

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so excited. Very sad about Harry Connick Jr. - hes too adorable to be a bad guy! But I am thrilled that there are still a few good shows out there!

I'm probably the only person that this bothers...
In some episodes, the make references to actors who at other times make guest appearances NOT playing themselves.
For example, there was a joke made about Minnie Driver in one episode, and there are other episodes where Minnie Driver is playing someone other than herself.
It kinda messes with the contract of "willing suspension of disbelief".
If the actress Minnie Driver exists in the world of Will & Grace, then rips the seams of the world when they pretend not to notice that it's Minnie Driver.
And to my knowledge, they have not even made a "you kinda look like Minnie Driver" joke or anything.
Alright, done with the rant.

I do enjoy Will and Grace. I think that adding in H.C.Jr's character was a major mistake (not that I don't love him, I just think that the character made the show's dynamic change for the worse). I wish they'd tone down Jack and Karen. They're so far over the top, that it's just driving me nuts now.

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Is anyone else watching tonight? I was skeptical since last season was so horrible, but I'm finding this pretty damn funny.

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SOOOO glad they're getting rid of Connick. That whole storyline just never worked for me. Anytime she's been in a relationship it's brought the show down.

If I could marry a fictional character, it would be Karen.

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One sec, Orion, while I call my friend Esther and ask...

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It's a real book, I believe, and the last name starts with a K.

Edit-Anna Karenina.

Updated On: 9/16/04 at 09:40 PM