democrat Myths about the 2004 Election

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 5:35pm

MYTH #1: More Than One-Quarter Of Ohio Voters Had Problems At The Polls.

FACT: With Over 5.7 Million Votes Cast In The 2004 Election, More Voters Participated In This Election Than Any Other Election In Ohio History. Election Officials And Leading News Organizations Agree: The Election Went Smoothly.


Democrats Peddle Myth as Truth Updated On: 10/15/06 at 05:35 PM

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 5:41pm

Murtha is confessing all
A Great Web Site

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 5:49pm

Something tells me that if the DEMS had won, everything re the election would be hunky dory & there would be no question re any "irregularities"

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:14pm

One good partisan site deserves another.

And, I understand that election fraud has been going on for years - I just want electronic voting machines to have paper receipts that are retained by the machine in order to audit the vote.

If there cannot be a recount, how can anyone be sure of the results?
Election Fraud

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:16pm

And,

Courtesy of the House Judiciary Committee:
What Went Wrong in Ohio

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:18pm

MYTH #2: There Was Widespread Fraud And Intimidation And There Is Reason To Question The Integrity Of Ohio Elections.

FACT: There Is No Evidence Of Voter Fraud In Ohio’s 2004 Election. Democrats Had Previously Said No Voter Fraud Had Occurred.

Left Wing Nut House

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:26pm

Dakin build a bridge and grt over it. As we say in Chicago, you stole it fair & square. Who cares what people say?

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:37pm

MYTH #3: In Franklin County (Columbus And Surrounding Cities), Where Voters Reported Waiting In Long Lines, There Were Proportionally Fewer Voting Machines In Minority Neighborhoods.

FACT: The Bipartisan Election Board In Franklin County Allocates Voting Machines Based On Statistical Data Such As Voter Registration And Turnout History. Race Is Not A Factor In Determining Voter Machine Allocation.

There are nuts up in here

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:38pm

Hmmm - Nice GOP Talking Points.

I am sure Karl Rove is very pleased.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:41pm

Lest me not forget how Texas was "won" by JFK & how Cook County (in Illinois )Dead people voted for him & helped him carry the state

Amazing dead people being able to vote when live people cannot figure out a ballot

Sounds like something for Ripleys Believe It or Not

Updated On: 10/15/06 at 06:41 PM

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:44pm

MYTH #4: Lawyers, Law Students And Other Election Challengers Intimidated And Mislead Voters At Voting Precincts.

FACT: Ohio’s Closely Watched Election Helped To Make Sure Every Legal Vote Counted And Prevented Widespread Voter Fraud.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:47pm

Are you Karl Rove's professional Butt Buddy, or is it just a hobby for you?

[Auggie27]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 6:57pm

Rodney: And the use of the pejorative "democrat" for "Democratic" is duly noted. As Bush sneers, "...some of those in the DEMOCRAT party think we should cut n'run..."

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:00pm

Roxy - yep - elections have been stolen by both parties.

Electronic voting machines just make it that much easier.

Add a few less voting machines in a heavily Democratic or Republican district, as well as the whole provisional ballot mess, and you go to a whole different level of theft.

That is why I wonder why people are so opposed to actually being able to audit the machines when there are questions. What are people so afraid of?

And, it is amazing that the Republicans cannot get over stealing Ohio - I guess they must feel guilty about something. It was a plan that actually worked - if only they plan foreign policy half as well. Updated On: 10/15/06 at 07:00 PM

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:04pm

Now you see one of the reason I do not vote

The whole thing is corrupt & both parties lack any real vision. The GOP has no cajones & The DEMS message is : Hate GWB (anything from your dog peeing on the floor or you stubbing your toes is his fault). We hope everything goes wrong so we can step in & be everyones savior. I found it funny they were criticizing Chavez for his remarks which were slightly worse than what they normally say. Their message to Chavez: " He is our punching bag - get your own pinata""

God help us from both parties

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:17pm

Well, then by not voting, you are part of the problem as well.

And, though I often vote Democratic, I don't always.

The Chavez statements have already be discussed in detail here - basically, the dynamic is that we can insult each other, but once someone from the outside comes in and attacks, well, then we close ranks and go after the outsider.

I do agree that we need a viable third party, and a way to get the money out of politics.

It is nice to see Chanti back, BTW.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:29pm

I hate to break it to you Mr. Roxy, but there are far more provound reasons to "hate" Bush. Start with an immoral war built on lies. The idea that he's loathed by Democrats as an easy scapegoat for what ails the country is rather precious. But more critically, his poll numbers suggest more than Democrats are disillusioned with his behavior.

This "unifer-decider" is a divisive pre-emptive warmonger whose poorly executed policies have made us less safe and more at each other's throats. If only we could enjoy the party game syndrome of blaming him for a dog peeing on the floor. He and his regime have dragged us to a new low.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:45pm

The war was based on faulty intelligence. The same intelligence Tony Blair got. US intelligence gathering capability was gutted long before GWB took the oath of office

It is amazing that as long as all was going well the majority was behind him. As far as how bad the country is doing. An unemployment rate so low that Europe is salivating over it & the stock market at a new high

Has he made mistakes. Yes. He should realize Iraq is a lost cause & start an orderly pullout. I definitely fault him on that. From day one in 2001, he was not given a chance as the hate was already there

Hey if you do not like him fine but comparing him to satan serves no purpose.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:50pm

not being a voter, you have no right to comment of the political climate.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:52pm

I beg to differ

Using that arguement, if you did not see the intelligence GWB saw that led to the war you cannot comment on it

Last time I heard, there was free speech in the US. There really isn't but I am using it for my arguement as supposedly it still exists

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:54pm

"From day one in 2001, he was not given a chance as the hate was already there..."

Where?

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 7:57pm

Well, since he is the one who claims to talk to God, what should we call him?

And, there is faulty intelligence, and then there is twisting every piece of intelligence to fit your agenda.

There were many of us opposed to the war with Iraq (but not Afghanistan) from the get go.

Talk about real wages and the cost of living, and then we can see where people really stand. And the stock market? The fact that the DOW is at record numbers does little more than demonstrate that big business is doing fine, and profits are up. Nowhere does that demonstrate how profits are being distributed, or whether the wealth is even staying in this country.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 8:01pm

Main street americans invest in Wall Street. Where are profits supposed to go? Are we talking about income redistribution? Higher profits equals higher dividends for the investors. many of them have their retirement plans based on it

We can go on & on . We both stated our positions . At least you are willing to listen without the usual name calling. We can agree to disagree

Take care

[Dakin]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 8:38pm

Income redistribution is one of the primary goals of modern dems

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 10/15/06 at 8:39pm

Roxy,

It is not the older investors I am worried about. My parents generation has benefited greatly from investments, and to an extent, so have I.

But, many who are my age or younger have very few of the financial safeguards that my parents and to an extent, I, take for granted. Now it is almost the exception to find an employer that provides pension benefits. Both of my parents have pensions, in addition to SS benefits, and I have a company-sponsored pension as well - most of my friends do not. In the late 90's many of the companies with well-funded pensions were takeover targets, and their pensions viewed as an asset of the acquiring company.

Further, I read somewhere that if the minimum wage were to grow as much as executive compensation, that it would be around $20 an hour.

I am all for profits, trust me, but the difference is between profits and profiteering, which is what I believe has been going on.

And, yes, we will have to agree to disagree.

Nice to see you again Chanti.
Updated On: 10/15/06 at 08:39 PM