democrats threaten to use impeachment as blackmail — Page 2

papa -- unlike you, I am not convinced at all they they "had to" back the bill with pork to get it passed, pork is not inherently evil-- indeed without the "pork" Mo Udall brought to Arizona for the Central Arizona Water Project I don't know where we would be. Heck Arizona is in a drought, has been for years and it's projected to continue...so I don't reject that all projects defined as pork are invalubale. That said- most of the pork attached to this borders on reprehensible. Furthermore, I am beginning to believe that they did so in order to force the veto for all the reasons you listed. In am not inclined to defend the Democrats or GWB -- everyone is looking for a scapegoat. Personally I'd like to impeach them all for high crimes and misdemeanors.

But, as I said back when we met...it really comes down to money.
Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves behind Saudi Arabia in the world...if the US pulled out it tomorrow it would be in too many countries best interest to get the h@ll in and secure stability in the region.

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Updated On: 4/30/07 at 12:28 PM

By September, we will be living in a very different America, an America that is looking at a corrupt failed presidency and wondering what to do about it.

Impeachment is only one of many options. Time will tell.

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GOP leaders warn that they will need dramatic evidence of progress — something that has been in short supply in Iraq — to maintain support for the war.

"We need to get some better results from Iraq both politically, economically and militarily, and that needs to happen in the foreseeable future," said House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a Bush administration loyalist.

Several moderate Republicans have warned that they are preparing to switch sides unless the troop "surge" shows results.

"If the president's new strategy does not demonstrate significant results by August, then Congress should consider all options — including a redefinition of our mission and a gradual but significant withdrawal of our troops next year," said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who last week voted against the withdrawal bill.

Democrats acknowledge that they are a long way from amassing the two-thirds majority needed in the House and Senate to override a presidential veto on any future war legislation. But they note that if a significant number of Republicans join them in supporting a withdrawal of combat troops, the pressure on Bush will increase.

"The deadline to start [a withdrawal] is going to be driven by the facts on the ground and public opinion, rather than legislation," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), a leading member of the House's Out of Iraq caucus. "By August or September … they will be overwhelmed by the facts."
LA Times: Congress' vote on Iraq war is only a prelude: A September progress report on the troop buildup could make things a lot harder for Bush and Republicans.

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Politics is dirty, papa, please don't act like you think it's not, regadless of who's being the pain this week. Of course it's blackmail--putting fear into your rival to get what you want. They ALL do that. And it's not as if Murtha is the first to speak of impeaching Bush.

That's the most unfortunate consequence of the Clinton impeachment--the bar for impeachment has been dramatically lowered and it's probably going to be a constant threat by the opposition party for many elections to come.

And papa, all pols put pork in their bills--it's called POLITICS.

lildogs is right--it's completely disingenuous for you to cry, "Pork! Pork!" today while you have been silent about so much obvious and corrupt pork, graft and blatant bribery doled out to your side during all those years of Republican hegemony.

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There's pork on both sides, PJ--it's totally vers!

Papa,

Sorry I can't buy: " Without that will it can not go forward, because impeachment is almost as wrenching to the heart and soul of the country as is assassination. "

The American people didn't seem so hesitant on their way to war with Iraq. I doubt very much an impeachment would actually have much if any ill affect on people in this country. The investigations have to happen anyway.


You are just repeating the same lazy rhetoric that the pussi Democrats have been using to keep themselves on the good side of the country.


All these lies, they are so very wrong. Why oh why the cover-up for OIL? WHY? The people in this country deserve better guidance. The last thing they need is the same politicians (who voted and supported this war) to keep making the same bad decisions over and over again.

Sorry Papa, time to let the real liberals drive.

Updated On: 4/30/07 at 03:15 PM

So what about Condi lying all day yesterday all over the tube. That woman is destroying herself.

Amanda watch who you support, I enjoy a pearl necklace.

Poor Condi...bet she wishes she was practicing scales with Amaryllis....

What happens when public opinion is impeachment? I supposed expecting a resignation from our president and vice president is out of the question. (Here's hoping it is gonna happen with Olmert).

Again these leaders led us to war. Their beliefs, predictions and assumptions cannot be trusted. None of them are ready to fess up. Even if Hillary apologizes, she will never admit why she really voted in the first place.

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I just don't understand how we can move forward if no one admits the true reason we went to war.

We have wronged the world and the thing the US can never remember is that the world never forgets.