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#26

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

Yea definitely the attitude of the general public. They cry out for 'Wicked' and 'Les Miz' etc etc. Give then any thing 'strange' and 'new' and they run.
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#27

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true although Bad Girls was only likely to appeal to a few anyhow and for all its fun it wasnt really that good.

Updated On: 4/12/08 at 11:46 AM

#28

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Good point about the Sondheim theatre. Maybe that is intended for more experimental stuff?

I was talking to a friend the other night who said he had seen a really good musical from Dublin's Abbey Theatre that has also been at the Edinburgh festival about English and German spies meeting in an Irish pub. I'd never heard of it but it sounded really interesting.
#29

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You don't get many on here going on about 'The Vortex' 'Brief Encounter' 'War Horse' etc as much as i've tried to speak about them. 'War Horse' was stunning and was real edge of the theatre theatre the way us Brits do theatre as only we can. Im off to see 'The Vortex' again tonight and then tomorrow (yes i go to theatre on a Sunday too!) to see N C hunters play 'A Day At The Sea' at the Finborough Arms in Earls Court.
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#30

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

I've got tickets for Brief Encounter next Sunday; planning on The Vortex and History Boys while DB is still in it for Saturday.

(Yes I will make it this time! I'll be just coming to the end of a few days off)

We're not all Phyllis Steins here! :)
#31

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I know. You will adore 'Brief Encounter'-it does Sunday shows if your in town on the Sunday!!!. 'The Vortex' is amazing- go Felicity! Great that your catching my mate Des before he downgrades to 'Wicked' (his words -not mine!)
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#32

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Ooh, you're so indiscreet! (And we love it) I'm sure he will be a fantastic Wizard- so far as that part will allow. (I'd love to see him us the dance break music Joel Gray used to have in his solo)
#33

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Des is old school, he can do a nifty routine don't you worry!
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#34

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

I totally agree with this thread- and I 100% agree with the fact that we should support everyshow in off-west end and on that is classed as a "new musical"

Places like the Chocolate Factory, Kings Head, Donmar are doing a good job. The Kings Head is showing 4world premire musicals this year (The Black and White Ball, Betwixt!, Street Magic, and Godiva) which is bloody fantastic- lets hope that this inspires people to do more of the same. As much as I love the chocolate factory the only show they have done that was brand new was "Take Flight".

Also, look out for the "Perfect Pitch" event. Its on once a year and showcases nothing but brand new musicals. As as people have said, if some of the reviews aren't great and we don't support it then people will stop producing it!

Lets support these venues and shows as much as we can!! I will be at the Kings Head watching their shows and anywhere else that does brand new work!

Dress Circle also have an "off west end" section that is useful.

There we go- rant over for now ....
#35

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I adored 'War Horse'. Heard a rumour (god only knows where) that they're thinking about bringing it back around Christmas time. I hope they do! I've never been so moved by a show as I have been by 'War Horse'.

Didn't like 'The Vortex' so much when I saw it in Bath. But 'Visiting Mr Green' was tops.

What I find interesting is how things like 'Visiting Mr Green' and 'The Sea' have only just opened in the West End for the first time, despite the fact the plays/playwrights have been around for many a year. No wonder we're lacking in newer works when we're so cagey with even the older ones. XD

Notes from the Earlham Street Gutter
#36

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

I think it's fairly definite that War Horse is back next Christmas from what I hear. I learned this when I was discussing scheduling of 'Swallows and Amazons', composed by Neil Hannon, which I believe is projected for the following year.
#37

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War Horse is 100% returning to the National this Christmas following extensive tweaks and reworking. It'll transfer/go out on tour after this year's season.

Perfect Pitch last year was awesome (went one night), they're changing the format around this year. The problem is that there are so few places to go AFTER that it's disheartening.

Still need to get to B&W Ball...
#38

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

Isnt that the reason it didnt come back for the summer that they wanted to make it thee biggie for next season. It really was a stunning piece of theatre- wow!
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#39

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I find it interesting that the way I have viewed it for years is that England has better plays then we do on Broadway. But Broadway has better musicals.

I know someone mentioned that they didn't know how subscription theatre works on Broadway. It works by people subscribing to it each season and they get the same seats for all the shows that they are producing. It is hard to tell how well a show is doing in a subscription theatre because the subscription audience always gets first dibs and whatever isn't sold goes out to the public. This is why it is not a sure thing that the 39 steps will do well in a commercial setting on Broadway because it was in a subscription theatre. Yes it was selling out but it is hard to figure out if it was selling out based on regular ticket buyers or from subscription buyers.

That being said, plays have a more of a commercial risk on Broadway then plays do. This is because you can count on one hand the number of tourists willing to see a play. But, there are a ton of people who are willing to go see a musical without thinking twice. I think that this hurts the changes of plays being produced. It has lead to the producers of plays only making things limited runs because they don't end up spending as much money.

But, I do stant by my original statement in this thread that I do think that there is chance that producers can find a way to produce new work and make it profitable.
"If you try to shag my husband while I am still alive, I will shove the art of motorcycle maintenance up your rancid little Cu**. That's a good dear" Tom Stoppard's Rock N Roll
#40

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'Better' is not always the case in either direction. Ive seen plays work better in one than the other and the same for musicals.
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#41

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

Does anyone agree with me in thinking that maybe the national theatre should be playing more of a role in helping to nurture and display new musical theatre talent? I can't remember the last original British musical they had there since Jerry springer the opera. I really think it's about the time that the government provided some funding to create schemes based around musical theatre, the same way that they do with straight performance and writing.
#42

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I sort of agree but the National was never, ever meant to present musicals new or old, the way you describe. It is historically a presenter of straight drama. The few times it has ventured into the musical world it has been heavily critizized. Thankfully the critics never seemed to put the National off producing big musicals but i think it should never have done shows like 'South Pacific' and 'Oklahoma!' but the others like 'Jean Seburg', 'Ghetto' and 'Jerry Sprnger' -maybe?
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#43

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Well, as I've been interested in musical theatre for a rather short amount of time, I'm not personally familiar with the productions that the national theatre have put on aside from jerry springer, and of course caroline, or change, but the others do sound a bit...eh. espec. Jean Seberg. But I do think that they could really help produce some more...well, for lack of a better word, serious musicals, considering often they don't get the backing from producers that they need, for example, caroline, or change. Who's to say that there isn't something of that caliber in Britain just waiting to be produced? I mean, we have the menier chocolate factory and the donmar, and the gatehouse, but three or so places, each one relatively unknown to most people, couldn't more avant-garde musical theatre do with another place to develop?

(I can't believe I just said avant-garde. :P I need a better vocabulary)
#44

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It comes down to public money i guess and thats when the arguments start as to what the National should produce. Its always been a sticky subject even since the days when 'Guys and Dolls' had its first production there. Many voices said that the likes of 'My Fair Lady', 'Oklahoma!' and 'south Pacific' should be done by other companies such as Cameron Macintosh etc- what they didn't know was that Cameron actually donated a ridiculous amount of money to the National specifically to get these musicals produced. People in the theatre know his contribution was a god send but the general public dont know this. The transfer to other theatres in the West End of the big musicals and also to Broadway are only possible because of Camerons input- the National would not be allowed to spend the amounts of money needed to present these shows out of its base at the South Bank.

A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'

Updated On: 4/21/08 at 06:53 AM

#45

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

The UK would never of had a production of 'Sunday In The Park With George' if wasn't for a generous donation from the, then named, Cameron Macintosh Fund. The original Broadway production would never have transferred and the UK ended up with a bigger production that what Broadway had at the Llytleton!
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#46

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

Personally, I would prefer to see a wider range of new material in the smaller settings of the Cottesloe or even the Studios. promising work could then move on to larger productions.

The Royal National Theatre is chartered to provide theatre, not straight plays, and I would certainly welcome a much wider range of styles than we currently see, selected by the Oxbridge dominated Classics-orientated, word-bound regime. Let the RSC, the other major funded company, specialise in Shakespeare and the Classics.

As I understand it, only Swallows & Amazons (there's cutting edge)is being developed as a musical at the Studios at the moment.
#47

re: Broadway breaking boundaries whilst we stagnate

Hey, leave the National alone! I love what they're up to at the moment, and strongly encourage it! If we left all Shakespeare to the RSC, we'd never have had Zoe Wanamaker and Simon Russell Beale kicking ten shades of ass out of 'Much Ado About Nothing', and I've gone all big-eyed and fretful at the thought of that. It was a simply sterling production, one I feel truly privileged to have seen. O_O

Notes from the Earlham Street Gutter
#48

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I'd like to thank the National for giving us some of the musicals it has ,and i mean only some, but i think it should stay in the field of presenting top notch drama as it does today, 90% of the time.
A young actress with Noel coward after a dreadful opening night performance said to him 'Well, i knew my lines backwards this morning!'' Noels fast reply was ''Yes dear, and thats exactly how you said them tonight'!'
#49

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The one thing that is different between the new shows in London and Broadway is that there is public money that goes into London theattres and tthere isn't when it comes to Broadway.
"If you try to shag my husband while I am still alive, I will shove the art of motorcycle maintenance up your rancid little Cu**. That's a good dear" Tom Stoppard's Rock N Roll
#50

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"The one thing that is different between the new shows in London and Broadway is that there is public money that goes into London theattres and tthere isn't when it comes to Broadway."

Not entirely. The West End is mostly unsubsidised (the National and Barbican are), and various places on the Fringe are or aren't (an increasing number of pub venues aren't, the places the Guardian fawns over are).

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