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Don't Give up on Batman!!



DON'T GIVE UP ON BATMAN

There have been many reasons to suggest that Steinman has abandoned this project; the break-up with Sonenberg; the no-longer distraction with Meat Loaf and now advent of Bat Out of Hell 3; the mistaken failure of Dance of the Vampires; the sporadic interest of Warner Bros. and their association with Manny Azenberg; the various projects of Tim Burton, and Batman is not the only of his that has gone under; and the blackened reputation of Steinman in New York (The Dream Engine, Whistle Down the Wind and Dance of the Vampires). But there are also reasons as to why this should still be done; Batman is the final chance for Jim to shine and the story is so appropriate and full of dark characters; Bat Out of Hell 3 is the final grand moment with Meat Loaf, and he needs one for the theatre, or something to assure him the existence there he's needed; Spiderman the Musical is pathetic, because there are no real characters or reasons to make this a musical plot, and Batman is just MUSICAL altogether; it's the most Steinmanian culmination since Tanz. Jim has GOT to do this. We can not let him surrender or allow ourselves to believe it's over

I can't stop thinking about it. I have all of the four films, and will no doubt be seeing the multitudes of sequels, and the first one is (to me) one of the top one-hundred films of all time and the ultimate theatrical inheritance in the gothic world. Batman is screaming for thundering arias, dark gothic and thundering arias, Joker would be a musical legend and the greatest villain to hit the theatre, Kim Basinger's role will be awesome, and the Gotham citizens will be black-and-white like the footages of 30s Berlin. Robin and Catwoman have to go, IT HAS TO BE A MUSICAL OF THE FIRST FILM (because it's the only one worth watching), and it could be sensational. Imagine the numbers for the Berliner Gothams, imagine the murder of his parents (a black and white scene with coloured blood on the window), the nightmarish scenes at the start, the surrounding world's varied opinions of Batman, the idea he's not a hero with ridiculous powers, but just a normal and nocturnal crime fighter. It can be so potentially awesome. Every role would be a treat. The Ensemble, like I said, would be vivid and frightening. The Joker and his goons would be insane. Batman would be darkly operatic and admirable, like an ancient leader, and the heroine would have brave connotations. I can imagine songs in the style of The Dream Engine - Who Needs the Young and Mother River Song - great Brechtian moments, and uplifting choral sequences like Garbo's Night of the Soul

Like they say, where there's a will, there's a way, and Jim CAN make this happen

Seriously



Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#3

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

Why is WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND on your list of reasons why Steinman should not persue a new project? That show did well and was greatly recieved. It was a short run for an ALW show but longer than any Sondheim run!
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re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

I was talking about the Washington production of Whistle, and not the successful West End. The failure of Whistle Washington's transit to Broadway (Season 1997-9re: Don't Give up on Batman!! got his name down in the black books, and ALW (ironically) hasn't been there since... if you exclude Bombay Dreams (which isn't even his musical)

And don't blame the Germans on the failure of DOTV. It was all your fault. Not everything is Wicked and Producers...
Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#5

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

I just don't see Batman breaking out into song and dance.
"We like to snark around here. Sometimes we actually talk about theater...but we try not to let that get in our way." - dramamama611
#6

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND is soooooooooo good. I heart it!!!!
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#7

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

Millie:

Neither do I, but if you heard Steinman's music (musicals, recordings etc.) you would feel as passionate as I do
Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#8

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

I see Batman breaking out into song. Remember, he is Bruce Wayne also. His life is a struggle between the two identities. Same as Spider-Man.

How do you balance a crime-fighting life with a social life with a love life and a job?

And the villains - their mental struggle - deciding to join the life of crime. Mr. Freeze lost his wife, and must find a cure for her. The only way to afford the research is to steal the money. But Batman keeps getting in the way! And Scar-Face with his identity crisis, and the Riddler with his trickiness, and Cat Woman - Celina Kyle gone kitty cat.

Umm. Maybe I am reading too much into this? re: Don't Give up on Batman!!
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
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re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

No! It's NOT Spiderman! Please forget Spiderman. It must never happen. Don't even think of it from a COMIC point of view. Think of it as Slaughter on 10th Avenue, Pal Joey, Threepenny Opera, Anything Goes. It's a dark Germanic cabaret / Wagnerian musical feast of evil. It's nothing like Marvel Comics! You got a taste for it in Bat Out of Hell, and also the subtle sections of Tanz, but this should be like Kurt Weill and Objects in the Rear View Mirror, the greatest song Steinman ever probably wrote.


Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#10

re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

I'm not sure why it's Steinman's 'last chance' for anything, he could certainly do a different project and he could certainly find one he'd have more creative control over, a Batman musical is going to be very hands-on from Warners and Steinman's 'legacy' is going to be the least of their concerns.

And Spider-Man's a far more rich character than Batman, once you get past 'I hate criminals because they killed my parents' and 'we all wear masks' psycho-babble, it's really just a guy in fetish wear punching people in the nose for two hours. At least Spider-Man has friends and a grip on reality.
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re: Don't Give up on Batman!!

He's boring. There's nothing dark about him! Batman is nocturnal and GOTH! And in case you didn't know already, it's obvious why they chose JIM: B-A-T-S. Bats. Think about it please


Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific

Updated On: 7/27/04 at 09:53 AM

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