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#26

Is Enron worth it?

Right. The National Theatre is a National Treasure to the UK and America has nothing to compare with it. Otherwise it's just about even between Broadway and the West End.

But what's all this talk of Brit-bashing on the other board? Some shows get slagged, some shows get praised. Does it have to become an international incident? This board certainly reciprocates in kind to all things American, or at least that is my perception. Thicker skins are definitely required.
Faced with these Loreleis, what man can moralize!
#27

Is Enron worth it?

Dont be blind its plain to see that 'Brit Bashing' goes on over there, we have been called every name under the sun. I don't care if American Audiences don't like the shows we send over, it means nothing to me, what i mind is Americans on that board bashing british PEOPLE.

I happen to think Enron was very flawed and i knew it would struggle on Broadway.
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#28

Is Enron worth it?

Unrelated to the above disscussion Headlong are running a competition to win tickets by signing up to their mailing list.

(Came through on the WhatsonStage email, but just in case not all of you subscribe to that it's on headlong's website)
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#29

Is Enron worth it?

I think the big difference between Broadway-attitude-to-West-End and West-End-attitude-to-Broadway here on BWW is that we West End bods tend to crave American product over here, whereas there's no such hunger for West End shows to transfer Stateside. Most of that's down to the embarrassing state of British-born musicals (even those based on American properties), but I think it's a factor in why our attitudes are different.

It means that if a US (or Australian, or whatever) transfer is crap, we tend to knock the show itself - perhaps quite viciously, true, but we don't tell US productions to sod off back where they came from blah blah blah they're all ****, like some people have done about NIGHT MUSIC and LA CAGE recently.

Maybe we should do a trade - they could send us the original production of GLORY DAYS, we could send them TOO CLOSE TO THE SUN...
#30

Is Enron worth it?

I have a equilibrium with American people and theatre, some things I hate and other things I love. There are definitely some people on the Broadway Board who are down right rude and others I have respect for, got total respect for mallardo for coming on here and putting his/her points across, even though I do not agree with everything said.

One thing I would so about American people they are very inwards and issular and have a disregard for anything outside America, for example the Broadway Board lack of response over the Olivier Aawards, only 20% of Americans have passports, lack of interest in international news etc, saying that there are people on the Broadway Board who are articulate and intelligent like mallardo and others that are rude because they are ignorant and yes they do stand out.
#31

Is Enron worth it?

Honestly, I hear what you're saying - and thanks for the compliment, Phantom, I appreciate it - but in general Americans are anglophiles. We are your biggest fans! I'm sure those of you who have travelled to America have found that to be true.

As to the BWW board, there are a few folks over there still living in the fantasy world of Broadway's mythically glamorous Golden Age with their vast sets and acres of chorines who have found a target for their nostalgic venom in the deconstructed musical theatre that the Menier, of necessity, has been producing. The fact that these shows transfer to Broadway is not because they are cheap but because they are good. All but an ignorant few know this.

Most Americans I know are in awe of the British theatre - and rightly so. When have you been to the theatre here and NOT been surrounded by American accents? So don't let the current flood of insults and ill-will get to you. We're still best friends.
Faced with these Loreleis, what man can moralize!
#32

Is Enron worth it?

Is Enron worth it? Well said, I agree 100%.

I know it's just a (very) vocal minority - but what gets to me are phrases like "pure unadulterated pretentious British crap", as if the fact that it's British pure unadulterated pretentious crap makes it somehow worse.

I think the big difference between Broadway-attitude-to-West-End and West-End-attitude-to-Broadway here on BWW is that we West End bods tend to crave American product over here, whereas there's no such hunger for West End shows to transfer Stateside. Most of that's down to the embarrassing state of British-born musicals (even those based on American properties), but I think it's a factor in why our attitudes are different.

I don't think that's true at all, actually. My guess is The History Boys was a hit in New York (and, from what I can tell, a hit with BWW members!) precisely because Broadway doesn't tend to produce plays like that. The same reason that something like Hairspray, which could never have originated in the UK, was a big hit over here. Something a bit different. But the fundamental reason that they succeeded is because they were good. If they hadn't been good, the "British" or "American" tag they came with would mean nothing. I think there's an interest in imports on both sides, but not to the extent where every Broadway musical in the West End and every West End play on Broadway is automatically a success. Which is a good thing, of course.

Updated On: 5/6/10 at 06:45 AM

#33

Is Enron worth it?

I agree, even though Hairspray is something we Brits couldn't conceive, we do have great show imagination, even though Enron was a flop, it took a lot of imagination to conceive from the British creatives.

In general we do have a lot of success on Broadway with plays and have done well with the odd musical now and again, who would of thought Billy Elliot, Mama Mia, Phantom and Mary Poppins would of done so well? We do have the odd blip where shows should of done better than they actually did, good examples are Woman in White, Buddy and Bombay Dreams etc and vice versa happens here, Spring Awakening is a prime examples.

When a show is done very well t the American audience normally endorse a show and lavish praise, just watch Warhorse sell like hot cakes.
#34

Is Enron worth it?

As someone has already said, it may be too sensitive for the Americans, bit too near home.

I don't think so at all. I can't think of anyone, not even a very close friend of mine who worked at Enron through its collapse, is that overly sensitive to the subject. With such an iconic and stigmatized title like "Enron", I believe Americans are expecting something far more in-depth that would shed new light on this much-exposed subject (we pretty much know the story), read the book, and saw the documentary. If the play is no going to cover new ground or provide some new philosophical edge other than "oh, those crazy Americans!", then I can't imagine Americans are going to flock to see it, especially if the critics couldn't find much to like.
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