#1
Posted: 5/30/05 at 2:32pm
Will Lennon make it to the Tonys 2006 or be this season's Dracula and see it's way out before the new year hits?
Lennon: The First Musical Flop of the Season?
#2
Posted: 5/30/05 at 2:36pm
I think it'll be the next Dracula, honestly. But that's my opinion.
What the puck?!
#3
Posted: 5/30/05 at 2:37pm
I'd say let it open before we deem it a flop.
#4
Posted: 5/30/05 at 2:51pm
Or even start previews.
#5
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:10pm
Lennon is awesome. But of course, that doesn't guarantee a hit.
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Some of you guys are sadistic.
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#6
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:12pm
This is where I have a bit of a problem with deeming things a flop before it even opens or hits previews.
A show debuts out of town for a reason - they test it in front of an intelligent audience and work out the kinks. In theory, this used to work well.
However, with the advent of the internet, its difficult for shows to get off the ground without being reviewed by every Tom, Dick, and Harry critic from the area. If they have a poor review, word speads back to the East Coast quickly to lower our expectations.
I say - let them finish the show. Let them work out the kinks. Heck, let them open on Broadway. Then, we can all start tossing around our favorite f-word.
A show debuts out of town for a reason - they test it in front of an intelligent audience and work out the kinks. In theory, this used to work well.
However, with the advent of the internet, its difficult for shows to get off the ground without being reviewed by every Tom, Dick, and Harry critic from the area. If they have a poor review, word speads back to the East Coast quickly to lower our expectations.
I say - let them finish the show. Let them work out the kinks. Heck, let them open on Broadway. Then, we can all start tossing around our favorite f-word.
#7
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:13pm
aaaaand this is what screws shows that close before they get their chance.
We hardly have anything to base this on - I doubt either of you two who are already calling it a flop have seen it, have you?
A work of art is an invitation to love.
We hardly have anything to base this on - I doubt either of you two who are already calling it a flop have seen it, have you?
#8
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:15pm
"Then, we can all start tossing around our favorite f-word."
That's not my favorite f-word but I agree with the rest of your post.
That's not my favorite f-word but I agree with the rest of your post.
#9
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:16pm
What matters is what New York audiences think of it. Shows like BROOKLYN got rave reviews out of town, but flopped in NYC. Other shows have been deemed DOA, and have turned out to be huge. Wait until it opens here, and then make the decision as to whether it is a flop or not.
#10
Posted: 5/30/05 at 3:37pm
Sorry. 
What the puck?!
#11
Posted: 5/30/05 at 4:16pm
No need to be sorry - this is what the forum is for. Debate is great! (OK...now I'm an official dork.)
#12
Posted: 5/30/05 at 4:41pm
I think it will flop. I know I won't see it simply based on the title and the way other juke box musicals have been going.
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#13
Posted: 5/30/05 at 4:58pm
brooklyn got rave reviews out of town? actually? ... ugh. it's one of those shows where I absolutely can't believe that anyone would ever like it. wicked? sure, fine. brooklyn? i can't believe it.
#14
Posted: 5/30/05 at 11:44pm
You won't see it BASED ON THE TITLE???
Gee. That's... rational thinking right there.
Hmm. "A Chorus Line"... sounds dull. And I hate standing in line. So no thanks. "Chicago"... stupid city anyway. Why would you write a show about Illinois?
Gee. That's... rational thinking right there.
Hmm. "A Chorus Line"... sounds dull. And I hate standing in line. So no thanks. "Chicago"... stupid city anyway. Why would you write a show about Illinois?
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#15
Posted: 5/30/05 at 11:50pm
My dad saw it and said it was very interesting....the cast is GREAT! and...though it may not be commercial enough for what audiences are craving...it certainly is no Brooklyn!
#16
Posted: 5/30/05 at 11:54pm
I'm curious as to why people will think it'll flop just because it is a "jukebox musical"?
The only musical of this genre that I am familiar with that did flop was Good Vibrations.
Mamma Mia and Movin' Out have had very sucessful runs so far and All Shook Up is doing pretty well at the Palace.
And why does Lennon classify as a jukebox musical? Was Boy from Oz a jukebox musical? Because they seem to be the same type of show, telling the story of a composer through his own music. Are these the same as jukebox musicals, which take a catalogue of more or less random songs and weave them into a fabricated story?
The only musical of this genre that I am familiar with that did flop was Good Vibrations.
Mamma Mia and Movin' Out have had very sucessful runs so far and All Shook Up is doing pretty well at the Palace.
And why does Lennon classify as a jukebox musical? Was Boy from Oz a jukebox musical? Because they seem to be the same type of show, telling the story of a composer through his own music. Are these the same as jukebox musicals, which take a catalogue of more or less random songs and weave them into a fabricated story?
Updated On: 5/30/05 at 11:54 PM
#17
Posted: 5/30/05 at 11:57pm
I saw it in SF as well, and enjoyed it very much. I went in expecting a jukebox musical and came out thinking it was a great show with a fantastic cast.
I say, see it for yourself, and base your opinion of the show on what YOU are seeing.
I say, see it for yourself, and base your opinion of the show on what YOU are seeing.
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#18
Posted: 5/31/05 at 12:30am
It's appparently in the process of being totally re-written, re-thought and re-staged. New York will be getting a completely different show from what played in San Francisco, so there's absolutely no telling whether it's a flop or not until previews start here.
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#19
Posted: 5/31/05 at 12:32am
I do wish to see it again, especially after the changes being made -- I reviewed it in San Francisco, and I'm looking forward to it again, especially since I didn't think it was so great in San Francisco. If you can acknowledge the problems and repair them, more power to you!
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#20
Posted: 5/31/05 at 4:47am
Lennon was wonderful. I am really anxious as to what it will turn into for NY.
In any case, Lennon is NOT a jukebox musical like all the other ones you see out there.
In any case, Lennon is NOT a jukebox musical like all the other ones you see out there.
#21
Posted: 5/31/05 at 4:50am
"It's appparently in the process of being totally re-written, re-thought and re-staged."
NOO!!!!
NOO!!!!
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#22
Posted: 5/31/05 at 6:30am
We're going to see it simply because Terrance Mann is in it.
#23
Posted: 6/1/05 at 2:13am
Wait 'til you see him in heels.
TWICE!
(Provided they keep those scenes. They'd better.)
TWICE!
(Provided they keep those scenes. They'd better.)
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#24
Posted: 6/1/05 at 3:46am
as much as I adore Terrence Mann, he had a hard enough time walking in heels in Rocky Horror. I hope he's had some more practice!
But I won't live alone in a house of regret.
#25
Posted: 6/1/05 at 10:58am
I did see it and while I wouldn't call it a flop I would be wary of how it will be received. While John Lennon has legions of fans, it still is more than a little disappointing that all the tunes we love, which are BEATLES tunes, are not in this show. That's a major problem with it and unless the book is literally thrown out and redone from scratch, it too, leaves a great deal to be desired. I've seen my share of flops, I don't feel this deserves to be in a sentence with say, Thou Shalt Not and Urban Cowboy or The Look Of Love, but it does have serious problems, or rather did when I saw it.
