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#2

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

The conventions are lovefests. An issue like this would be but a cum-stained, wet blanket.
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#3

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

How vivid.
Cheyenne Jackson tickled me. AFTER ordering SoMMS a drink but NOT tickling him, and hanging out with Girly in his dressing room (where he DIDN'T tickle her) but BEFORE we got married. To others. And then he tweeted Boobs. He also tweeted he's good friends with some chick on "The Voice" who just happens to be good friends with Tink's ex. And I'm still married. Oh, and this just in: "Pettiness, spite, malice ....Such ugly emotions... So sad." - After Eight, talking about MEEEEEEEE!!! I'm so honored! :-)
#4

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

It's not just at the conventions.
Economic stimulus isn't just about giving out money. How long will the FDIC be able to continue to insure financial institutions like F & F?

There is no plan to deal with the implosion of another financial institution which economists are predicting will occur before the end of the year.
....but the world goes 'round
#5

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Largely because both parties are responsible for screwing it up so badly.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#6

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Who cares about the damn economy?! Can I marry a dude in Texas??
"If it walks like a Parks, if it wobbles like a Parks, then it's definitely fat and nobody loves it." --MA
#7

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Why do want to get married, Parks? Over 50% of them don't work out. I never saw so many people wanting to do something with such horrible odds against it. If planes had a 50% chance of crshing, nobody would fly.

As for what's being addressed, if my life were dependent on it, I couldn't name a single policy or plan that Obama has. Not one. I only point out Obama, because we're in the middle of his convention.
#8

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Because neither candidate is very good at economic matters. It's baffling to me that right as polls showed "The Economy" as the #1 concern of Americans, the same polls showed McCain (a lifelong military man and politician) building a huge lead over Romney (a lifelong businessman who specializes in making the most of distressed situations with private equity buyouts).

In the end, it lies more on Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke than the president, anyway.

The other answer--the average American doesn't understand Freddie/Fannie, what they do, or the structure of the financial system. (If we're lucky, they vaguely understand that they don't own their house, "the bank" does.) And politics is all about spinning it to the average, hourly wage-earning American with a high school diploma, because it is those votes that are easiest to earn.
#9

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

>>Why do want to get married, Parks? Over 50% of them don't work out. I never saw so many people wanting to do something with such horrible odds against it.<<

Well, there's acting...
#10

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Parks, you may not care, but the majority of Americans do. Personally, gay marriage isn't going to improve my life, but a strong and robust economy will.
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#11

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Tazber, how ironic that you should mention the FDIC. Just read an article this morning saying that "they" need to borrow money!!
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#12

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Well firstly McCain doesn't know anything about the economy and his advisers are some of the people responsible for this mess.

Obama has a strong economic plan and it has received RAVE reviews all around.

In my opinion this is a really complicated issue (Fannie/Freddie) that is difficult to speak about in the campaign. We will see this addressed by both in the debates where they will be confronted with the issues.

As much I will want to credit Obama for building up this huge campaign and the momentum from nothing, a majority of his votes will come from people voting WITH THEIR POCKET BOOKS.

The Republicans have had nearly 8 (12 if you count their purse power) to implement and enact their platforms. The proof is literally in the pudding. Not only is our financial system crumbling (the Republican answer is to use social welfare to bail them out) our groceries and fuel prices are at the point of unmanageability for the middle and low class.

You can call Americans a lot of things, but one thing they know is money and they will not stand for 4 more years of it.

Updated On: 8/27/08 at 02:33 PM

#13

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That being said, it seems like the present administration is getting off scott-free regarding the economic dilemma.
Hey Dottie! Did your colleagues enjoy the cake even though your cat decided to sit on it? ~GuyfromGermany
#14

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

What IS his economic plan? How does he intend to deal with these issues that we are discussing?
I keep hearing people say he has a "strong economic" plan, but then no one can articulate what it is.

And this is nor a partisan criticism. McCain hasn't discussed it either.
....but the world goes 'round
#15

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Well our media isn't concerned with serious issues. They want to talk pant suits and guilt by associations and questioning people's patronage.

The thing that is so great this time is the people see it everyday they buy a gallon of milk. Or this weekend when they are buying school supplies and clothing for their kids. The media can't bury something everyone sees.

The Democrats are too spineless to attack the Bush administration, but watch the debates when Obama takes McCain out to dry. This time I could care less what they do as long as we get control of it all. The rest can be sorted out later and blaming is pointless when our troops are dying daily. I can't wait to see Biden ravage whatever nutjob McCain drags under the Straight Talk Express.

I am hopeful Rachel Maddow will start her new show every night "news from wartime" like she does every night on the radio. Outside of DemocracyNow, she is the only one in media who does this.

I listened to the first big Obama speech again last night and he said something in that sent chills down my spine. That was 2004 and when talking about the war he said something like "or those brave 900 soldiers who gave their lives for a mistake." It's 2008 and that number is around 5000.
#16

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

"As for what's being addressed, if my life were dependent on it, I couldn't name a single policy or plan that Obama has."

Then you haven't been paying attention- or at least aren't very curious to find out.


Jumpstart the Economy
Provide Additional Tax Rebates to American Workers: The economy has continued to weaken significantly, despite congressional action to provide immediate tax rebates to American consumers. Stimulus: $20 billion.
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn in the economy, Obama is calling for immediate creation of his Foreclosure Prevention Fund that will dramatically increase emergency pre-foreclosure counseling, and will help families facing foreclosure to responsibly refinance their mortgages or sell their homes. Obama’s plan will not help speculators, people buying vacation homes or people that falsely represented their incomes. It is meant to help responsible homeowners through this difficult period. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide $10 billion in Relief for State and Local Governments Hardest-Hit by the Housing Crisis to Prevent Cuts in Vital Services: Because of the housing crisis and the weakening economy, many state and local governments are facing significant revenue shortfalls. Barack Obama believes that in the areas hardest-hit by the housing crisis we should provide immediate, temporary funding to state and local governments so that the decline in property values does not cause them to slash critical public services and cut vital infrastructure spending. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Extend and Expand Unemployment Insurance: Barack Obama believes we must extend and strengthen the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program to address the needs of the long-term unemployed, who currently make up nearly one-fifth of the unemployed and are often older workers who have lost their jobs in manufacturing or other industries and have a difficult time finding new employment. Expanding UI is one of the most effective ways to combat economic turmoil; every dollar invested in UI benefits results in $1.73 in economic output. Obama is calling for a temporary expansion of the UI program for those who have exhausted their current eligibility. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
Trade
Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment
Barack Obama believes that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure – its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems – to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.

Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation’s most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs per year and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Barack Obama will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.

Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
Support Small Business
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Labor
Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Obama will ensure that his labor appointees support workers' rights and will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers. Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.

Ensure Freedom to Unionize: Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA's passage and sign it into law.
Fight Attacks on Workers' Right to Organize: Obama has fought the Bush National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) efforts to strip workers of their right to organize. He is a cosponsor of legislation to overturn the NLRB's "Kentucky River" decisions classifying hundreds of thousands of nurses, construction, and professional workers as "supervisors" who are not protected by federal labor laws.
Protect Striking Workers: Obama supports the right of workers to bargain collectively and strike if necessary. He will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods.
Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Obama will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. He will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and he will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.

Create a New FHA Housing Security Program: Barack Obama strongly supports the efforts of Senate Banking Committee Chair Chris Dodd (D–CT) to create a new Federal Housing Administration (FHA) program that will provide meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages and convert them into stable 30-year fixed mortgages. This plan provides an important federal backstop – not a bailout – to this growing national problem. Neither lenders nor homeowners would receive a windfall from this plan.
Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Obama will create a 10 percent universal mortgage credit to provide homeowners who do not itemize tax relief. This credit will provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity.
Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure: Obama will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score, which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and understand the full cost of the loan.
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures: Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud.
Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies: Obama will work to eliminate the provision that prevents bankruptcy courts from modifying an individual's mortgage payments. Obama believes that the subprime mortgage industry, which has engaged in dangerous and sometimes unscrupulous business practices, should not be shielded by outdated federal law.
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Obama will establish a five-star rating system so that every consumer knows the risk involved in every credit card. He also will establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices.

Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure: Obama will create a credit card rating system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily identifiable ranking of credit cards, based on the card's features. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents.
Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Obama will create a Credit Card Bill of Rights to protect consumers. The Obama plan will:
Ban Unilateral Changes
Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt
Prohibit Interest on Fees
Prohibit "Universal Defaults"
Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Obama will reform our bankruptcy laws to protect working people, ban executive bonuses for bankrupt companies, and require disclosure of all pension investments.

Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama supports extending a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. Obama will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why he'll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.
Encourage Responsible Lending Institutions to Make Small Consumer Loans: Obama will encourage banks, credit unions and Community Development Financial Institutions to provide affordable short-term and small-dollar loans and to drive unscrupulous lenders out of business.
Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis: Obama will create an exemption in bankruptcy law for individuals who can prove they filed for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. This exemption will create a process that forgives the debt and lets the individuals get back on their feet.
Work/Family Balance
Obama will double funding for after-school programs, expand the Family Medical Leave Act, provide low-income families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible work schedules.

Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act: The FMLA covers only certain employees of employers with 50 or more employees. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence.
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide.
Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit provides too little relief to families that struggle to afford child care expenses. Obama will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses.
Protect Against Caregiver Discrimination: Workers with family obligations often are discriminated against in the workplace. Obama will enforce the recently-enacted Equal Employment Opportunity Commission guidelines on caregiver discrimination.
Expand Flexible Work Arrangements: Obama will create a program to inform businesses about the benefits of flexible work schedules; help businesses create flexible work opportunities; and increase federal incentives for telecommuting. Obama will also make the federal government a model employer in terms of adopting flexible work schedules and permitting employees to request flexible arrangements.
Barack Obama's Record
Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
For More Information about Barack's Plan
Read the plan
Read the plan for small businesses
Read the plan to protect homeownership and crack down on mortgage fraud
Read the Speech

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Updated On: 8/27/08 at 02:44 PM

#17

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"As for what's being addressed, if my life were dependent on it, I couldn't name a single policy or plan that Obama has. Not one. I only point out Obama, because we're in the middle of his convention."

Your vote is your responsibility. If you don't know a candidate's plans, and you've made a decision who to vote for, shame on you. It would only help YOU to educate yourself before choosing whom to vote for. I've heard most of these specific policies addressed in detail in Obama's supposedly empty speeches. If you don't listen to his speeches, only to the GOP/press meme that tries to paint them as empty, it only took me 5 seconds to find this:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

specifically related to the economy:

http://tinyurl.com/683ocp






Art has a double face, of expression and illusion.

Updated On: 8/27/08 at 02:45 PM

#18

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

Yea, Taz you really think he would have beat Clinton without an economic plan?

Just go to his website or Google any major magazine that reviewed it. He got rave reviews for it. It's fanastic.

I can put up bullets for you if you need soundbites, the very idea that something complex has to be simplified to be valid is just plain sad.

I can talk about John McCain's plan if you want, but it mostly involves a contest and extending tax breaks for the rich. You know the people that make over $2 million a year.

Updated On: 8/27/08 at 02:48 PM

#19

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No, no, no. I suppose I didn't make myself clear. Yes, I've read all that, before. My question is how? Where's the money source?
#21

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Ah so you SAID "As for what's being addressed, if my life were dependent on it, I couldn't name a single policy or plan that Obama has." but what you MEANT was "I know Barack Obama has a very explicit plan for the economy with close to one hundred specific policy initiatives ranging from tax reform to job creation, but how will he pay for it all?"

Weird. You have sort of a circular way of expressing yourself, you know? Because you very specifically said "I couldn't name a single policy or plan that Obama has" in a way that made it seem like he didn't have any plans. Where now you say, "oh SURE, THOSE plans! I know ALL ABOUT THOSE PLANS!" If I expressed myself like that I might reply to your question "Where's the money source?" by saying "I got some great Burger King coupons in the mail today- buy one Whopper, get one free!"

#22

re: Neither party is addressing the economy

why are you getting defensive mejust? I said this was not partisan issue.
Stop being so blinded by devotion and dare to think.

I've read that entire plan joe. And it mentions a bill to stop mortgage fraud. That's awesome! Now, how is he going to help the FDIC maintain and renew its resources which are being eaten up by the bailouts? Who is going to protect investors if they can't?

And just b/c you all to selectively read, I put it in caps so you can't miss it:

THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE. NEITHER SIDE HAS A VALID PLAN.


....but the world goes 'round
#23

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"THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN DEBATE. NEITHER SIDE HAS A VALID PLAN."

Well that's fine but it is a debate.

Saying "NEITHER SIDE HAS A VALID PLAN."

Obama has a plan and a lot of people (including myself) find it VALID.

McCain has a plan as well. I don't like it but his constituents say it is valid.


"why are you getting defensive mejust? "

Call it defensive, call it crazy, but I'm responding to your blankent comments on the issue.
#24

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I'm actually in agreement with you Taz- The FDIC is a huge effing mess and Fannie & Freddie are probably in even worse shape. I honestly have no idea what's going to happen and even less idea how to fix it. But, to make it partisan, I'm slightly more inclined to let the party that didn't drive the car into the lake figure out how to pull it out.
#25

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No, I didn't say "Oh those plans!" I said I read that. I mean where are the plans that address how all these talking points (that's all they are) will be administered? That includes funding. And, no, if you read it, it doesn't address that.

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