ONE STRIKE AND THEY'RE OUT: Victims of the Equity Strike... — Page 2
#27
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:01pm
We're not talking about starting up a new show, though: we're talking about reopening all of Broadway. There's no way that the start up costs would be that high.
#28
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:02pm
VC -- that answer was in regards to "what would happen to the other shows" (that weren't going to close due to the strike, but WOULD re-open)
There is no news VC, it's all speculation and possibilities.
There is no news VC, it's all speculation and possibilities.
#29
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:03pm
Then why post speculation as fact?
#30
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:07pm
>> We're not talking about starting up a new show, though: we're talking about reopening all of Broadway
Neither Fiddler nor Wicked nor any other large scale production that opened in the past year has even come close to recouping its start up. For a show doing marginal business, like Fiddler, even a short break in the income stream is deadly. You can't just pretend those costs have gone away because of a strike; you still have to make payments when they're due. Places like Feller aren't gonna just smile and say, "Hey, pay me when you can". Just doesn't work that way.
Neither Fiddler nor Wicked nor any other large scale production that opened in the past year has even come close to recouping its start up. For a show doing marginal business, like Fiddler, even a short break in the income stream is deadly. You can't just pretend those costs have gone away because of a strike; you still have to make payments when they're due. Places like Feller aren't gonna just smile and say, "Hey, pay me when you can". Just doesn't work that way.
"That duck was a sexual toy, and it was on display!" -- an unknown Nashville town leader
#31
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:10pm
I didn't realize that "word is..." was such an ultimatum. Relax.
Next time I'll be sure to write SPECULATION: THIS MAY NOT BE TRUE.
Next time I'll be sure to write SPECULATION: THIS MAY NOT BE TRUE.
#32
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:15pm
In case you haven't noticed, people (especially on boards such as this) tend to ignore "Word is" and jump straight to the meat of the message. Then we have a mountain made out of a molehill.
Perhaps we should post our speculation with discretion, as usually all it does is a furhter disservice to the situation at hand.
Perhaps we should post our speculation with discretion, as usually all it does is a furhter disservice to the situation at hand.
#33
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:16pm
Love your dress.
#34
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:17pm
Word on the street is that if the strike lasts more than a year that Mamma Mia and Lion King will close.
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#35
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:20pm
Do you mean word is that you love my dress?
#36
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:21pm
>> There's lost possibility of profit with a strike, but it's not like they have to pay the cost of running a show that night either, so the losses wouldn't be that much
They may have to pay the salaries of the non-Equity workers if they want to keep them available for when the strike ends, and they have to pay the theater too or risk losing it. And, as has already been pointed out, all the other fees and payments that go into keeping a show running. I think a lot of the rabid pro-Equity people here really don't know what goes into putting on a show beyond singing and dancing and learning lines. Wicked brings in barely $300,000 a week more than it's break-even. That might sound like a lot to some of you, but the break-even is $700,000. It's playing to 100% capacity every week, so it can never make more than it's making now. Putting on a show is hugely expensive. A strike of even a few days for a show that isn't pulling in at least three times its break-even can be deadly. The amount of money that you all seem to think is going into producers' pockets - isn't.
They may have to pay the salaries of the non-Equity workers if they want to keep them available for when the strike ends, and they have to pay the theater too or risk losing it. And, as has already been pointed out, all the other fees and payments that go into keeping a show running. I think a lot of the rabid pro-Equity people here really don't know what goes into putting on a show beyond singing and dancing and learning lines. Wicked brings in barely $300,000 a week more than it's break-even. That might sound like a lot to some of you, but the break-even is $700,000. It's playing to 100% capacity every week, so it can never make more than it's making now. Putting on a show is hugely expensive. A strike of even a few days for a show that isn't pulling in at least three times its break-even can be deadly. The amount of money that you all seem to think is going into producers' pockets - isn't.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
Updated On: 7/11/04 at 02:21 PM
#37
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:26pm
Word is that I am in love with you.
#38
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:31pm
Thank you, Rathnait.
#39
Posted: 7/11/04 at 2:33pm
Word is, of course.
#40
Posted: 7/11/04 at 3:39pm
God I hope this doesn't happen. I'm kicking myself right now for not going to see a few shows earlier. If I miss Boy From Oz and the totally HOT Hugh Jackman I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself!
#41
Posted: 7/11/04 at 10:52pm
This rabid pro-Equity dude is rather aware of the ramifications.
And, no, if there is a strike, no one working in that theatre gets paid.
And, no, if there is a strike, no one working in that theatre gets paid.
Updated On: 7/11/04 at 10:52 PM
#42
Posted: 7/11/04 at 11:28pm
>> And, no, if there is a strike, no one working in that theatre gets paid
Only if either (a) the other unions go on sympathy strikes or (b) the production company lays everyone off.
Only if either (a) the other unions go on sympathy strikes or (b) the production company lays everyone off.
"That duck was a sexual toy, and it was on display!" -- an unknown Nashville town leader
#43
Posted: 7/11/04 at 11:29pm
uh, no--I'm an usher. If we strike, I won't get paid.
#44
Posted: 7/12/04 at 12:11am
jrb -- Disney paid their ushers after the musicians' strike. I'm still waiting for the ushers' local to get its act together & get the money they promised us from that strike. Note: I'm not holding my breath.
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#45
Posted: 7/12/04 at 12:42am
THE BOY FROM OZ has reached a separate deal with Equity and will not close due to a strike, as reported by the NYTimes ( there is a new thread on this board on the subject). So, a sigh of relief for at least one show. Besides, OZ is closing on 12 September and it doesn't make sense to have a stoppage in the last two months of their show schedule.
Updated On: 7/12/04 at 12:42 AM
#46
Posted: 7/12/04 at 8:41am
If there is an equity strike - no one gets paid because we're all locked out. For the musicians strike equity and local one supported the musicians so local one recieved strike pay from the union.
#47
Posted: 7/12/04 at 9:49am
Okay - so the producers don't have to pay members of the supporting unions (unless, like Disney, they choose to). Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't sure about that. However, they still have to pay their bills associated with the show as well as paying the theater rental. There is still a lot of money going out, with nothing coming in.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#48
Posted: 7/12/04 at 10:44am
None of this changes the fact that Reidel doesn't exactly tell the truth about these things.
#49
Posted: 7/12/04 at 10:47am
I think all Reidel cares about is getting people riled up so as to get his name out there as much as possible. He's a famewhore and doesn't care what he says about whom, as long as the attention is ultimately focused on him.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#50
Posted: 7/12/04 at 10:49am
Riedel...*snorfle*...truth...
*dies laughing*
*dies laughing*
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