Rob explains why some threads are deleted- Page 2

[tourboi]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 11:03am

Non Profits can still loose money on a show, and therefore, produce a flop.

[tourboi]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 11:03am

Non Profits can still loose money on a show, and therefore, produce a flop.

[Oldschool]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 11:10am

My problem with Rob's post is that it seems to tacitly suborn the "insider" information when it comes to another source. For example, most recently with Reidel's suggestion that Ragtime was closing January 3rd.

The policy Rob describes suggests postings that cite "insider" information that can be confirmed with the show's press agent will be allowed to stay. So by allowing this discussion to stand, are we to understand that Broadway World has confirmed with the show's press agent that it will close January 3rd? That's the problem with the policy. It's a non-answer-answer.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 11:42am

It's a non-answer-answer.

That's because the powers-that-be at BWW are like politicians; they make up the rules as they go along.

[Stage Door Sally]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 11:47am

Riedel's story is in the public domain and is fair game to discuss and post.

Unsubstantiated, unpublished gossip is completely different.

I guess that's not clear to some, but it is to me.

[Phantom of London]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 12:27pm

You get three types of shows;

Hit = One that recoups and makes money
Flop = One that doesn't recoup and loses money
Disaster = 9-5/Shrek

[PalJoey]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 1:38pm

A hit returned its investment and a flop did not.

What about a show that does not return its investment during its initial New York run, but makes it back sometime over the next 5-20 years and then proceeds to pay its investors from the profits?

Is is a "hit" once it returns its investment? A "flop" until then?

What if it takes 20 years to returns its investment but pays salaries and royalties to writers, performers, directors, designers and rent to theater owners for those 20 years?

What is it during that time between Variety's two narrowly defined statuses?

Perhaps Variety's words are too narrow and that stick up your ass too broad?

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 2:59pm

Well, thank God somebody definitively answered one of the most obvious questions regarding moderation of the website. Nothing like tying up the last of the loose threads.

Why don't we just say all shows are hits and leave it at that? Fifty years from now, In My Life may recoup its original investment from overwhelming success in semi-annual Takarazuka productions (the Unicorn Troupe is the BEST) and won't we all be red-faced then?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 3:16pm

What about a show that does not return its investment during its initial New York run, but makes it back sometime over the next 5-20 years and then proceeds to pay its investors from the profits?

Is is a "hit" once it returns its investment? A "flop" until then?

What if it takes 20 years to returns its investment but pays salaries and royalties to writers, performers, directors, designers and rent to theater owners for those 20 years?

What is it during that time between Variety's two narrowly defined statuses?

Perhaps Variety's words are too narrow and that stick up your ass too broad?

I just wanted to make a copy of that post should I ever have to point to it as an example some day.

[frontrowcentre2]

Posted: 12/6/09 at 3:52pm

Non Profits can still loose money on a show, and therefore, produce a flop.

Technically, this is true but since these productions are classed as non-commercial their ultimate financial status is never published.

Non-profits operate under different contracts and are sustained mainly by donors and subscribers. The profits frome one show can easily offset the losses from another.