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#26

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I don't imagine many people are going to War Horse for the plot either. Does that make it "just a puppet show" or something? If We Will Rock You counts as a musical, then so does Rock of Ages. Rock music, completely preposterous plots, and an opportunity to see straight men in a theatre without sheepish looks on their faces. Good heavens, it's almost like they're the same show. XD

No one has to go and see Rock of Ages if they don't want to. But if people want to see it, and people want to put it on, then why the hell shouldn't they? This show has almost single-handedly broken down all my reservations about jukebox musicals, first by seeming like such fun in spite of its unoriginal score, and secondly by getting me arguing *against* the people who are anti-jukebox!

I don't understand why a show existing is such an insult, and I don't know why some people (on WOS more than on here) are so downright condescending. La Cage may be an artistically better show than Mamma Mia!, for instance, but if someone WANTS to see Mamma Mia!, then it's patronising and insulting to say "oh, but you'd have just as much fun at La Cage, a REAL musical, so you SHOULD see that and NOT Mamma Mia!, even though you WANT to see Mamma Mia!". If I went to buy the latest Harry Potter book, and someone was standing outside the bookshop saying "but it's rubbish, you should be reading Lord of the Rings! You'll love it just as much, and it's a REAL fantasy novel!", then I'd be hard-pushed not to punch them in the face. This is exactly the same. No one asked you (again, I have a lot of rage here, and it's at least 95% because of a similar discussion on WOS XD) to hold my hand and baby me with regards to my theatre choices. Let me see my Rock of Ages dammit!

Can the rest of the pro-Rock of Ages crowd get their asses over to WhatsOnStage.com please? I wouldn't mind a little more back-up. re: Rock Of Ages Wastes No Time Coming To London

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Updated On: 9/7/09 at 05:30 PM

#27

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Hi Weez!

I don't know if you're responding to me inparticular or nay-sayers in general, but I do think that more people might be interested in War Horse for its plot than they will be in ROA for the same reason (unless the role of animals in wartime resonates more for most of the general public than 80's rock music)??

I've never said people should stay away from ROA if it appeals to them, or that it shouldn't exist at all, or that the very fact that it does is an insult - but if other people think it's dreck then so be it.

I'm in the middle ground really - I love Priscilla and La Cage; Spamalot & Curtains were big favourites of mine in recent years and I found Next To Normal, God of Carnage and 9-5 the most enjoyable shows I saw on my most recent visit to NYC.

What was my point again? re: Rock Of Ages Wastes No Time Coming To London

Seen some shows in my time....

Updated On: 9/7/09 at 06:01 PM

#28

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I certainly wouldn't presume to tell people who may like Rock of Ages that they don't have a right to like it. Good luck to them if they do - and anything that gets people into a theatre is fine by me.

It's just that Juke Box musicals are generally not my cup of tea. (And they ARE a major threat to new writing in musical theatre because producers see them as an easy investment and that makes it increasingly difficult for new writing to get to the stage.) Still, I have a reasonably open mind and have been to see a number of Juke Box shows - some of which (like Jersey Boys) I kind-of enjoyed. But the major reason I can't force myself to spend the huge amount of money a ticket to Rock of Ages would cost is that I know I will hate the music. (I've listened to clips of the songs it uses and they are the kind of songs that would send me screaming from the theatre.lol. It's the same reason I have not been to see Priscilla - I hate the music I've heard from that too.)

But like everything else - some people will love what I hate. And there's room for all tastes - as long as I can avoid having my ears attacked by music I don't like LOL.

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Updated On: 9/8/09 at 06:50 PM

#29

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Good point Bob, no point going to New York, ticket and hotel room would cost in the region of $200, to see a show, you simply will not like, insane. XD

ROA does have a story, a story that has been done a 1000 times, not is wafer thin and cheesy, what will judge ROA if it would be a success at the end of the day is the market.

If I had a choice of Next to Normal, South Pacific or Shrek instead of ROA, then its a no brainer.
#30

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Mister Matt i take my hat off to you. That was a valued argument and opened my eyes to see things in a different light and i really enjoyed reading your post. I can't say i agree with you whole heartedly. I just feel that an original book musical is slowly becoming more and more rare. I'm not saying it's a quick process but it is slowly becoming more common for a 'juke box musical'. Personally i don't like them and that's my opinion. Although i'm also a hypocrite because i love Legally Blonde... although that's a 90s film so it's ok :p. This has proven to be a really interesting thread so kudos to Frapperira for starting it.
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#31

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I just feel that an original book musical is slowly becoming more and more rare. I'm not saying it's a quick process but it is slowly becoming more common for a 'juke box musical'.

I get where your fears are coming from, but while jukebox musicals are being produced left and right as part of a trendy new style in musical theatre, they have yet to be proven as a reliable investment. Musicals with original books and scores have always been a rarity, especially those that turn a profit. When thinking of the most popular and famous shows in musical theatre history, both financially and critically, you will be hard-pressed to find one that did not display some form of adaptation. The only one I can think of in the West End would be Blood Brothers, and that flopped on Broadway (though I happened to love it). Jukebox musicals and 80s films are a trend by producers to try and make lightning strike again and again, but the majority of them have failed. In the end, audiences truly decide what is a hit and what is a flop. This trend, as with so many others such as the "rock opera", the "pop opera", and the Larson lookalike, will pass and move on to the next.

It's just that Juke Box musicals are generally not my cup of tea. (And they ARE a major threat to new writing in musical theatre because producers see them as an easy investment and that makes it increasingly difficult for new writing to get to the stage.)

I don't think they are that easy of an investment. Depending on the music, securing the rights can be expensive. And as we've seen time and again, even internationally beloved artists such as John Lennon, Paul McCartney or Elvis could not guarantee a hit with such shows as All You Need is Love, Lennon or All Shook Up.
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#32

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I have a lot of time for 'book musicals', they are my favourite genre of musicals, that's why I had a lot of time for Margerite, also a show I did not see, but I wish I did was The Pirate Queen, but heard the score and its very good, I know I used examples of 2 musicals from the same stable, but wanted to use shows that flopped, another flop book musical would be The Woman in White, there are other great book musicals out there such as Spring Awakening or Les Miserable. I have a lot of time also for movie to stage theare such as Sister Act or Billy Elliot, these are my second favourite.

I am not too impressed with Jukebox or Tribute Shows, thats why I will give a wide birth to Dreamboats and Petticoats, Thriller and The Rat Pack.
#33

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Phantom - not so sure I'd agree with some of your quoted examples of "book" musicals. The Woman In White I thought was mindnumbingly boring lol (apart from 4 great songs). You did not miss much with Pirate Queen - though some of the score is really beautiful, other parts were dull and repetitive and the book was a complete mess. Also Marguerite, though I LOVED Michel Legrand's score, the book was pure corn - actually quite emnbarassingly hackneyed at times. (I wrote at the time that this could be a great musical if Boublil and Schonberg had brought in someone who actually knows how to write a book to do the job rather than making a hash of it themselves.)

Sorry - this is now going a bit off-topic LOL.
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#34

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I did say Woman in White is good, did not say it was brilliant, there was definitely issues with Woman in White, namely inferior lyrics and over use of projections, instead of using sets, projection did have its place though and thought the train at the end was amazing.I would prefer to see a show of that genre, rather than the Rat Pack etc.

Bob, bet you agreed with Spring Awakening and another flop but very good book musical was Martin Guerre.
#35

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Phantom - love Spring Awakening without doubt. Also love Martin Guerre (the original West End show was good - Craig Revel Horwood's Watermill production was one of the best productions of any show I've ever seen.) But it's not really what is technically described as a "book" musical - it's a "sung-through" piece. "Book" musicals are basically musicals with a traditional Book - dialogue based, interspersed with songs. I know all shows other than revues have a book in the sense that they have a dramatic plot but sung-through shows (Phantom and most of the ALW shows, plus Les Mis, etc.) are structurally modern operas.

Btw - sorry to disagree with you again but I don't think Woman In White was even "good". I thought it was pretty dire. lol
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#36

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I liked Woman In White. Thought it was clever. I think if i'm being honest though i was a little star struck as was my first time seeing Ruthie live... and she was great!!
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#37

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For me, the most shocking thing about Woman in White is how the brilliant lyricist of City of Angels wrote some of the most banal and sophomoric lyrics for Woman in White. I Believe My Heart has some of the worst lyrics in a sung-through musical since Last Night of the World from Miss Saigon.

I saw Pirate Queen twice during its tryout in Chicago, though only for the music. Much of the score was quite nice with several beautiful songs. It did have a couple of clunkers and the orchestrations needed cleaning up. The rock drums needed toning down and the electric guitar should have been cut altogether. The The book was terrible and the staging was awkward and dull. It was a somewhat interesting mess that included notably incredible performances by Stephanie J. Block and Hadley Fraser.

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Updated On: 9/16/09 at 06:04 PM

#38

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I just left New York and this was the only thing I really liked - both book and score. It was the only thing I saw that left me smiling afterwards, that energised me and made me want to return again. So long as there's good casting on this, this could really take the West End by storm.
#39

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Please don't be offended when I say I'm quite surprised - what else did you see? I have a good friend who'd be VERY into ROA so I might well end up seeing (and maybe even enjoying) it if/when it transfers.

But if I had to choose a 'rock-based musical' I'd rather see N2N, Hair or even WWRY over ROA from what I've heard/seen of each so far. However, I'll readily admit the error of my ways if ROA turns out to be as enjoyable as many say. I'm still of the opinion that it's mainly a musical aimed at people who don't like musicals. re: Rock Of Ages Wastes No Time Coming To London
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#41

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Rock Of Ages is silly, there's no doubting that, and fluffy, but the energy is incredible and it DOES have a coherent structure. The cast are all fantastic and it's just... I don't know, I loved it. Could have done without the crazed fangirls and boys down the front screaming at every line Wesley Taylor said, but otherwise really brilliant.

Updated On: 9/21/09 at 06:18 PM

#42

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I didn't have that, but when I saw the show, there were two middle-aged women in the front row wearing fluorescent wigs who had obviously seen the show numerous times. At the beginning of each ballad, they would choreograph waving their mock lighters in a slow, ceremonious manner as if trying to deliberately cue the audience to follow along. It came off quite pretentious and annoying. What made it so irritating is that it wasn't as if they were particularly enthusiastic or that the movement was in any way inspired by the music at all. Their bodies were utterly still for the entire show until it came to the ballads and they would just robotically move their arms back and forth, always starting together perfectly cued to the music. It was as if they believed they were there simply to direct the audience when to pull out their lighters and when to put them away. If they were just having fun with the show like most everyone else, it would have been much less distracting.
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#43

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Matt, it was because it was Wesley's last show, and the obsessives don't think about theatre etiquette - they just want to show the actor how much *they* appreciate it, not caring about how it affects everyone else's experience. It was very distracting but the general energy of the show was amazing - after Hit Me With Your Best Shot he got an extended standing ovation from the majority of the crowd!

I actually went to see it twice because I enjoyed it so much the first time, but unfortunately the second experience (my final show in the city) was marred by three very fat, very obsessed women sitting directly to my left, who had lighters (we had been given them the previous week but they weren't given out at this performance) and who did exactly what your bewigged ladies did. I had to laugh because it was literally only them and four other friends of theirs on the other side of the stalls who did it!

The woman on my left actually had the temerity to wave the lighter IN FRONT OF MY FACE. I wanted to smack her. She also made me feel sea sick by tapping her foot and jiggling to the songs the whole way through, meaning my seat was moving and she kept whacking into my leg. And singing along. Barf. I, being British and reserved, of course said nothing.

Updated On: 9/23/09 at 10:45 PM

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