Singing In The Rain movie question!
Singing In The Rain movie question!
*MuSiCaLs_FaN*
Understudy Joined: 7/27/05
#0Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 7:53pmThis has been bugging me for years! In the scene where Kathy Seldon (Debbie Ryenolds) is dubbing Lina's Lamont's (Jean Hagen)voice and is singing the song 'Would You' Debbie Ryenold's voice has actually been dubbed!! Does anyone know why?? She sings all the other songs in the movie but is dubbed for this one, which is kind of ironic - she is dubbing someone while someone is dubbing her hehe - but any suggestions?? does anyone out there know??
TheaterAddict7652
Broadway Star Joined: 2/7/06
#1re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:00pmDebbin Reynold was only 18 or 19 when the movie was filmed, and I think that those in charge of the movie thought that her voice was fine, but it wasn't full and mature enough for the voice in the movie.
*MuSiCaLs_FaN*
Understudy Joined: 7/27/05
#2re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:07pmbut they still let her sing all the others including 'you are my lucky star' which was cut, so it really is strange!
#3re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:08pmi did not know that. that is weird. i love that movie. :)
*MuSiCaLs_FaN*
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#4re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:11pmyeah so do i which is why i have been puzzled for so long! listen next time to watch it, it's quite obviously not her voice but also on the soundtrack it's written that she is dubbed!
#5re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:19pm
Not only was Debbie dubbed during her numbers in "The Dancing Cavalier," but the big fat rumor going around was that it was JEAN HAGEN that dubbed Debbie... dubbing Jean Hagen!
How is THAT for mind-blowing?
In truth, the singer for "Would You?" was Betty Noyes, at least according to the soundtrack notes on the Turner release.
EDIT: WAIT!! More trivia. Betty Noyes is the lady who sang "Baby Mine" in Disney's classic Dumbo.
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TheaterAddict7652
Broadway Star Joined: 2/7/06
#6re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:27pm
This is kind of a threadjack, but it was Fred Astaire who taugh Debbie Reynolds to dance. Apparently Gene Kelly was being an a**hole and told Debbie that she couldn't dance. Fred Astaire found her crying under a piano and decided to help her.
#7re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:29pmGene Kelly is the sexiest man.
#8re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:32pm
Fred didn't teach Debbie to dance. He found her crying "under a piano" as she tells it... and allowed her to watch him rehearse (something he never did with anyone). He took her into his private studio, locked the door, and showed her how hard he worked and the mistakes he made.
He told her she had to work very hard to get what she wanted, and to go in there and DO IT. He gave her the strength she needed, and an understanding and realization of what it would take to be REALLY GOOD.
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#9re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:35pmI love Singing in the Rain and I didn't notice that. I thought her voice sounded a bit odd, but I didn't think it was a different person entirely.
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Joined: 12/31/69
#10re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:35pmAs I recall, that song is meant to be very operatic. Perhaps she couldn't quite acheive that kind of sound at such a young age. That's my best guess.
#11re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 8:42pm
Dubbing was very common back then. For that particular song, they must have wanted a more warm, rich sound.
Debbie had a bright "pop" sound, and was all of 20 years old. She had just come off of a big (surprise) hit record with Abba-Dabba Honeymoon.
By dubbing her for this one song, it gave "Would You?" a more legit sound (for a female crooner of the early '50s.)
Today... I agree, it sounds kinda weird when you listen for it.
They dubbed bits and pieces of other singers in other films. You'd be surprised. Not long ago, there was a thread talking about how Rita Moreno was dubbed for some (not all) of her West Side Story songs.
EDIT: And Vera-Ellen and Cyd Charisse were dubbed for their whole MGM careers!
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Jon
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/20/04
#12re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/21/06 at 11:13pmOf course, Moreno was also dubbed for THE KING AND I.
TheaterAddict7652
Broadway Star Joined: 2/7/06
#13re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/22/06 at 12:21amShe was also dubbed in West Side Story for "A Boy Like That", because it was out of her range. She did sing "America" and "Quintet" herself.
miss pennywise
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/7/04
#14re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/22/06 at 12:26amDon't forget that Rita Moreno was IN Singin' in the Rain!
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TheaterAddict7652
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#15re: Singing In The Rain movie question!
Posted: 2/26/06 at 6:53pm
it was JEAN HAGEN that dubbed Debbie... dubbing Jean Hagen!
That's actually true. Jean Hagen didn't dub her singing (that was Betty Noyes) but she did dub her own speaking lines in The Dancing Cavalier. ("Pierre, nothing can keep us apart...")
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