Sony and Columbus appear to have put RENT through the anti-gay shredder — Page 5

I agree with MrMidwest.

However, in art2's case he's been going beyond the logical and intelligent argument that you just made and made it almost farcical.

There was a post in this thread that I am too lazy to look up and credit the poster, but they basically said "art2 isn't going to be happy unless there is full on male/male penetration"

I think that's the problem here. art2 isn't simply advocating that a gay relationship be represented as normal and respectfully as a heterosexual relationship, but is more criticizing the integrity of director of the film and Jonathan Larson based on his perception of what he thinks he is going to see or what he wanted to see.

He seems to want there to be additional physicality between the gay characters than even what the live show gives us and he is going to cry "anti-gay" unless it's there.

I do feel that showing gay couples in film in none stereotype ways is important and should be done, I also think that adding them just for the sake of adding them is gratuitous and unnecessary. In my opinion, that is what I think art2 is advocating if he is doing other than other than just being a troll, which I highly doubt he is.

YWIW??? - HA! It sucks being late to the party, but I must admit that it was a fun read this morning.

Updated On: 11/3/05 at 10:30 AM

YAY, Pinguin!!!

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I definitely understand where you're coming from Youwantit, I've dealt with art both here and on the imdb boards before.

I feel like sometimes he's infuriating (saying that Angel being in drag is a whitewash is bothersome to me because it makes it sound like people who are drag queens and in gay relationships aren't "really" gay or that they don't deserve to have depictions of their particular situations seen in movies as much as gays who aren't drag queens) and sometimes he sort of incites some interesting discussions.

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Updated On: 11/3/05 at 11:01 AM

"The fact, that even after THAT last thread, people still bother to answer to art2's obsessed non-existent ramblings, is beyond me ! "

-Oh Greek, I can't resist the call to get to post angry penguin pics :0)

Midwest: I totally understand your concern about the male penetration slam, but I'm sure as Patronus suggested that the poster didn't mean it the way that you're thinking of it. art2 completely reduces the issues concerning how homosexuality and homosexual love are depicted in the movie to screen time and kissing, which is ridiculous. I'm sorry if you were offended by the comments (I'm not sure why I'm apologizing since I didn't make the comment, but roll with it...).

So midwest, don't concern yourself anymore and take that valium, or join us for some champagne!

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Updated On: 11/3/05 at 11:19 AM

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But it IS 5:00 somewhere!!

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Well, well, I missed all the fun, although I'm sure Art will be back soon enough.
Ah well.
YWIW, and Pinguin that was fun again, and good to see you made it in Patronus.

Pinguin, that picture with us in the battle last time was fabulous! I have stolen it by the way I love some Hawking!

I also agree with Mr. Midwest, the concerns of portraying love of all people should be addressed and respected. It is because of this that Art is doing such a disservice, by throwing around his "libido liberal" bile, and couching his concerns in a unilateral diatribe on screen time for physical relatations between the men in Rent, we are led to a dismissive attitude toward real and important concerns.

The female-female relationships in Rent are a big deal and will be very new and radical in much of the country, the existence of the male-male couple and the love and tenderness of their relationship will be amazing to see, and Angel's character is a "she," that is the life and identity the character has chosen, to change that the way Art wants is a diservice.

If it is indeed cut to play down the real loving relationships of Angel and Collins, I will be one of the first to protest. The heartfelt lives and loves of gay characters need to be explored and shown on film, although it is not the place of Rent to address all of those concerns. (since Roger and Mimi are the main characters it would be ridiculous to suggest, as Art does, that it is a matter of "lingering screen time on the relationship.")

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Dear art2,


PUT A CORK IN THAT WHINE, WILL YA*?!!?!!?!!




*All Materials Copyright - Karen Walker - Walker, Inc.

Updated On: 11/3/05 at 01:25 PM

I'm going to buy some wine in just a bit here, I think a nice Reisling or three for me, and maybe a Pinot for my guests.
mmmm.... wine.

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I read that some of the elderly in high-rises are still without power, and there are real concerns that some pay pass away before they are able to get out of their units. They cannot get down all of the stairs necessary to get out and get food and water. I really hope that it an overstatement of the situation. But knowing the fools who have been running FEMA, probably not.

It seems like no one is covering much of this mess in Florida. I guess it must be Hurricane Fatigue.

Glad you are doing well.

I have some sparkling apple cider if you want it Patronus?

I will swap it for your glass of wine!

I have a nice bottle of cab open if anyone wants a glass.

Alot of you seem to have permanently-affixed pro-RENT blinkers on. I can understand this. However, I believe it is important to point out facts. Facts don't know fashion and they don't know preferences. Facts stand alone.

The facts are the male-male love was diminished in the poster and the trailers. And now it appears to be the case for the movie.

Nah, actually I had a long day at work and am now stuck at home (cause I don't have a car) and am probably gonna die of boredom unless one of my friends has some pity with me and will get me outta here.
What about you?