Sweeney @ Hot Topic- Page 3

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 9/6/06 at 11:22pm

Moxie, I'm asking this purely out of innocent curiousity and not to start an argument, but do you think you felt that way about the depth because you had seen the original? Since the revival was my initial exposure to the show, my personal experience was very much that I found something new and put new pieces into the puzzle, so to speak, each time I saw it. I'm just wondering if you feel that way because seeing the original sort of took away the... element of surprise, for lack of a better term? Do you feel you discovered it that way the first time with the original, or never at all?

Updated On: 9/6/06 at 11:22 PM

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 9/6/06 at 11:23pm

I'm going to make a prediction.

Spring Awakening will have a Yooge following on here. Why? Because the cast is just so damn pretty. And young.

I am certain that there are some teens and college students who loved Sweeney long before this version came out. But I just refuse to hear that Mano, Lauren & Michael being "hot" isn't a big reason why so many people from here have become possive of this show.

I have an admission to make. When I was 13, I had a crush on Albert from Little House on the Praire. And I remember getting just as posessive of that show as people are getting over Sweeney.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 9/6/06 at 11:26pm

I think it'll probably also get a big following because, well, it sounds like something young people will relate to in the issues it deals with and all that.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 9/6/06 at 11:29pm

And it's loud! It will draw all the kids back where they belong - away from my Sondheim.

Do you know how long I've loved Sondheim? Longer than you have been alive, most of you. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO APPRECIATE HIS WORK.

Like that?

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/6/06 at 11:46pm

>> So, you do know better/more about it than someone that just jumped on the bandwagon.

:: sitting here biting my tongue till my jaw drips red with blood ::

Except you were making claims about this production *specifically*, not just the show. Using my Rent example, had this other person seen the movie and I had not, and we were commenting on a specific aspect of the movie and not the show, then it would support your attempt at a snarky comment, but I said nothing to imply that.

As for your comment about the "flames", you're the one that implied you know better than Sondheim and Furth what's good for Company.

Updated On: 9/6/06 at 11:46 PM

[SeanMartin]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 8:40am

Get over it, friend. That discussion is over. And yes, darlin', the same dynamics are at play right here, right now. Deal with it. You are a Johnny-come-lately, madly celebrating a show whose history you do NOT know and then getting all POd when someone else doesnt share your unbridled enthusiasm.

I'm sure there are people out there who saw -- and loved -- HER FIRST ROMAN too.

Insofar as "knowing better than Sondheim", tell me: what else were they to do? THEY WERE AT A PERFORMANCE WITH A CAST THAT WANTED TO HEAR FROM THEM. Are they going to look these people in the eye and tell them it was crap? I certainly hope they would be more gentlemen than that. But IF they had any issues with the production, Im sure they would be professional enough to discuss it with the director IN A PRODUCTION MEETING. AWAY FROM THE CAST. Not in the casual venue of post-performance DURING A RUN.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 9:30am

Logically, if Sondheim had a problem with it, he's powerful enough not to allow the production to occur. And if he saw it and then didn't approve, he's powerful enough not to allow it to go any further, which he could very easily do in a sacred production meeting. Yet oh, look, it's going to Broadway. With Sondheim's permission. I'm SURE he's lying, though. He really thinks it's crap and just didn't tell anybody, so he's letting it go where thousands of people will see it anyway.

Updated On: 9/7/06 at 09:30 AM

[SeanMartin]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 9:38am

Oh please. Now you're getting desperate. Sondheim is no Edward Albee. Quit while you're this far. If you cant even note the capitlaization of the word "if", then you're clearly out of your depth now.

Oh look! There's some kids wearing SWEENEY t-shirts! Run after them and tell them how *awful* they are, huh?

:)

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 9:48am

Eh, let them wear Sweeney t-shirts. All I care about is that Burton doesn't turn it into a cartoon, and that it makes a good film.

You're just afraid to admit that Sondheim does know his own work well enough to approve of something YOU disapprove of.

Capitalization fully noted, word hence repeated. I said "if" he had a problem with it. I acknowledged the hypothetical. Disagreeing with me is one thing, but you're not going to get me and invalidate my opinion on a made-up technicality.

Updated On: 9/7/06 at 09:48 AM

[sweetestsiren]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 10:39am

The Company discussion isn't really going to go anywhere productive until people have seen it.

Other than that, I just wanted to say that I agree with orangeskittles in regards to it not so much being about superficial things like length of time that you've been a fan of something, how many times you've seen it etc., but about the extent to which you are informed about it. Which, honestly, if you're going to claim to be a huge fan of something, I think that you should strive to be. You don't have to have been a fan of something forever to inform yourself about it... but I think that sometimes it's necessary to acknowledge that people who have been fans for a long time might have a more complete perspective on whatever show it is. (And this is coming from someone who's a relatively new fan of some musicals.)

Edit: Rereading that, it sounds way more judgemental than I intended it to. I guess knowing everything about a show doesn't "qualify you" to love it anymore than the number of times you've seen it does. Maybe the ultimate problem is generalizations. Updated On: 9/7/06 at 10:39 AM

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 11:09am

I understand the "Just be glad it's getting more fans" sentiment, but it's a psychological fact that people resent it when the things they like become popular. It's human nature, really.

I admit that I myself have no patience for people who only see the movie of the musical. Now, I understand the "Can't afford to go to Broadway" argument. Heck, I'm stuck in the Midwest; I've never even been to NYC. But there are tours which aren't horrendously expensive, and, heck, Sweeney Todd is available on DVD and everything. I don't like how people only acknowledge that a show exists because it's now a movie.

Also, if the movie is bad, people will automatically associate that with the show. For instance, I cannot even begin to name the number of people who have said "The musical Evita sucks; I saw the movie and it was boring." And I'm like "The stage show is SO DIFFERENT!" It's frustrating.

I also however agree with BSoBW2 who said that there are a lot of new Sweeney fans who are just into the revival and it's quite aggravating. Not that I'm an old Sweeney fan, mind you

I actually though wouldn't mind Sweeney shirts at Hot Topic. I'd probably buy one. Though I already have one from the revival which I can safely say tends to freak people out.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 1:01pm

You are a Johnny-come-lately, madly celebrating a show whose history you do NOT know and then getting all POd when someone else doesnt share your unbridled enthusiasm.

There's a VAST difference between "not sharing enthusiasm" and the what you expressed towards the show in the other thread. "I am not looking forward to this show" is on a *much* different level of disagreement than "Good lord. Boris Aaronson must be spinning at 78 rpms in his grave right about now."

And once again, how do you know I don't know the history? Because I didn't see the *original* production? How do you know I haven't heard the OBCR, revivial CR, London CR, seen the documentary of the making of the OBCR, and seen 2 productions of the show? Again, as I mentioned earlier in this thread and another thread regarding the "new" Sweeney fans, I shouldn't have to post my credentials to be allowed to discuss the show in an intelligent conversation. I know more about the show than "OMG, RAUL IS HOT!", shouldn't that be enough for you to give me the benefit of the doubt?

And your continued assertations that you know better than Sondheim about Company and the suggestions that he would let the show transfer to Broadway without his full support reeks of your delusion.

Updated On: 9/7/06 at 01:01 PM

[Maile]

Posted: 9/7/06 at 1:59pm

For every 10 kids doing it as a fad, maybe 2 or 3 will be moved by it and it will become more than just a fad to them. I'm ok with that. You can never have too many broadway fans.