The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#0The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:47pmFor those who are wondering why Rhoul looks older than Madame Giry in the auction and flash forward sequences, could that really be MEG GIRY and Miranda Richardson playing an older MEG?
Matt_G
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/1/04
#1re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:57pmI thought she played Meg in those scenes, also.
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#2re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:59pmThe screenplay says it's Madame Giry but the looking at the age it would make more sense to for it to be MEG because he's about a decade older than her which it looks like.
Ellie3
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/04
#3re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:00pmInteresting... So the auctioneer called her Madame Giry, that may mean Meg ended up a lonely spinster? And hadn't Raoul aged a little too much?
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#4re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:01pmYeah, MEG became a Madame perhaps.
LoringsGuy
Broadway Star Joined: 9/28/04
#5re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:02pmI assumed it was Meg. If it was Mme. Giry, she'd be older than Rose in TITANIC.
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#6re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:03pmYeah, I think that may be it!
#7re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:13pm
I thought about that possibility, but it is so clearly Miranda Richardson, that, from a filmmaking standpoint, it doesn't seem to make much sense.
The script also makes a point of having the auctioneer address her as Madame Giry in the opening sequence. While unmarried older women might be addressed as "Madame," this might be asking too much of the audience to understand, without thinking about it in great detail later, that this is Meg.
Also, Meg deliberately leaves the monkey music box and takes the mask from the Phantom's lair. It is Madame Giry who would understand the music box, having seen the Phantom with the one he made as a boy when she rescued him. That would give meaning to Madame Giry bidding for it.
Therefore, I would disagree that it is Meg.
Whew! That was way too much thought for a film I didn't really enjoy!
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#8re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:18pmhmmm The age appearance just makes it seem like its Meg.
LoringsGuy
Broadway Star Joined: 9/28/04
#9re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:21pmDBilly, you're probably right. They should've done more to emphasize Mme. Giry's age. She still looked relatively youthful compared to Raoul. If he's supposed to be, say, 80, that would make her at least 90. Old girl's been using her Oil of Olay!
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#10re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:22pmMaybe it's Madame Giry and she just had an operation.
broadwayguy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/18/03
#11re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:23pm
it's easy to tell.....
an old woman version of Jennifer Ellison as Meg would be hunched over like Qusimodo dragging a set of extrely saggy breats along the ground.
#12re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 7:40pm
In the film version, we see a young Madame Giry rescue the Phantom, who was a few years younger than her, from the gypsies. Since the film Phantom is supposedly in his mid-30's, then Madam Giry is at most in her late 30's, early 40's. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that she was 40 in 1870, when the bulk of the film is set, in 1919 she would have been 89.
As for why she seems to look younger than Raoul. We have no way of knowing why Raoul is in the wheelchair -- it's possible it's not just old age, but some kind of debilitating illness that also aged him well beyond his years and put him in that chair.
#13re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 8:20pmwell, the phantom WAS the devil's child, and as we ALL know, a devil's child doesn't AGE at the same rate as normal people. so, OF COURSE madame giry looks OLDER than the phantom!
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#14re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:06pmIn the Movie...its Maddam Giry. Raoul never had any sort of relationship with Meg. In the scene, they keep exchanging creepy glances....why would Raoul look at MEG taht way, when he never even met her. Its DEFIENTLY maddam Giry, alhtough,perhaps they should have made Miranda look older.
Sporti2005
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/13/04
#15re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:39pm
yeah, it's definitely meg. because in the last scene she sees the little monkey music box...and then in hte beginning @ the auction scene raoul thinks/says "just as she described it" so i figurd it was meg....does that make sense or did i think too much about that??
maggie
#16re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:47pmWhen Raoul sings, "every detail, exactly as she said," he was talking about Christine, not Meg. Christine would have had more knowledge of the music box than Meg. Meg didn't look at the music box at all, she focused on the mask. If she was interested in the music box, she would have taken it.
Ellie3
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/04
#17re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:50pm
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!
And if the Phantom and Madame Giry are meant to be around the same age, with the Phantom still alive at the end, why couldn't Madame Giry still be around?
Sporti2005
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/13/04
#18re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:02pm
kec - you do make sense....hmmmmmmm...
but i still like my idea..it made me feel smart for a little bit :P
#19re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:11pmHmmmm, I thoughtly thought it was Meg. Now I'm not to sure. Damn, I even forced my mom to believe that it was Meg.
#20re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:19pm
"well, the phantom WAS the devil's child, and as we ALL know, a devil's child doesn't AGE at the same rate as normal people. so, OF COURSE madame giry looks OLDER than the phantom!"~cturtle
Honey...that is Raoul-not the phantom
#21re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:51pm
i stand corrected. but the biggest age discrepency in the movie is not between raoul and m giry ... it's between the phantom and m giry, since they were portrayed as approximately the same age in the "flashback" sequence. how did m giry get to be so much older than the phantom appears to be? ...
"the phantom WAS the devil's child, and as we ALL know, a devil's child doesn't AGE at the same rate as normal people. so, OF COURSE madame giry looks OLDER than the phantom!"
NativeNewYorker
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/03
#22re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:59pm
The script says that Madame Giry is 15 years or so older than Raoul in the beginning, but Raoul "doesn't enjoy her good health" because he's sickly...(that's what I remembered, I was looking at the book today...)
I thought at first that it was Meg, and then thought it looked so much like Miranda Richardson and was confused...but I guess it's supposed to be Madame Giry.
And the script also says that Madame Giry finds the Phantom when she is 12 and he is 9.
#23re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/30/04 at 12:35amthat's only a 3 year difference between the phantom and m giry (damn, i'm smart) ... he sure did age better than she did! guess all the stress of trying to teach those squealing girls to dance really aged her, while the phantom lived a care-free life down in his underground palace.
magelet21
Swing Joined: 11/18/03
#24re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction
Posted: 12/30/04 at 11:40am
I can't believe I'm THIS nitpicky...but
In French, gramatically speaking, an umarried woman is supposed to be called Madamoiselle. Always. Madame is reserved for married women.
It is Mme Giry, not Meg.
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