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#1

The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:47pm

For those who are wondering why Rhoul looks older than Madame Giry in the auction and flash forward sequences, could that really be MEG GIRY and Miranda Richardson playing an older MEG?
#2

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:57pm

I thought she played Meg in those scenes, also.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#3

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 5:59pm

The screenplay says it's Madame Giry but the looking at the age it would make more sense to for it to be MEG because he's about a decade older than her which it looks like.
#6

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:02pm

I assumed it was Meg. If it was Mme. Giry, she'd be older than Rose in TITANIC.
"Word of advice: Be who you are, wear what you want---just learn how to run real fast." Marc, UGLY BETTY
#8

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:13pm

I thought about that possibility, but it is so clearly Miranda Richardson, that, from a filmmaking standpoint, it doesn't seem to make much sense.

The script also makes a point of having the auctioneer address her as Madame Giry in the opening sequence. While unmarried older women might be addressed as "Madame," this might be asking too much of the audience to understand, without thinking about it in great detail later, that this is Meg.

Also, Meg deliberately leaves the monkey music box and takes the mask from the Phantom's lair. It is Madame Giry who would understand the music box, having seen the Phantom with the one he made as a boy when she rescued him. That would give meaning to Madame Giry bidding for it.

Therefore, I would disagree that it is Meg.

Whew! That was way too much thought for a film I didn't really enjoy!
"I am open, and I am willing, For to be hopeless would seem so strange. It dishonors those who go before us, So lift me up to the light of change." Holly Near
#10

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 6:21pm

DBilly, you're probably right. They should've done more to emphasize Mme. Giry's age. She still looked relatively youthful compared to Raoul. If he's supposed to be, say, 80, that would make her at least 90. Old girl's been using her Oil of Olay!
"Word of advice: Be who you are, wear what you want---just learn how to run real fast." Marc, UGLY BETTY
#13

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 7:40pm

In the film version, we see a young Madame Giry rescue the Phantom, who was a few years younger than her, from the gypsies. Since the film Phantom is supposedly in his mid-30's, then Madam Giry is at most in her late 30's, early 40's. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that she was 40 in 1870, when the bulk of the film is set, in 1919 she would have been 89.

As for why she seems to look younger than Raoul. We have no way of knowing why Raoul is in the wheelchair -- it's possible it's not just old age, but some kind of debilitating illness that also aged him well beyond his years and put him in that chair.

#15

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:06pm

In the Movie...its Maddam Giry. Raoul never had any sort of relationship with Meg. In the scene, they keep exchanging creepy glances....why would Raoul look at MEG taht way, when he never even met her. Its DEFIENTLY maddam Giry, alhtough,perhaps they should have made Miranda look older.
#16

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:39pm

yeah, it's definitely meg. because in the last scene she sees the little monkey music box...and then in hte beginning @ the auction scene raoul thinks/says "just as she described it" so i figurd it was meg....does that make sense or did i think too much about that??

maggie
"grace, you're stuffed in a box getting rid of ass plaque. let's face it, this evening is a bust."
#17

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 10:47pm

When Raoul sings, "every detail, exactly as she said," he was talking about Christine, not Meg. Christine would have had more knowledge of the music box than Meg. Meg didn't look at the music box at all, she focused on the mask. If she was interested in the music box, she would have taken it.
#19

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:02pm

kec - you do make sense....hmmmmmmm...

but i still like my idea..it made me feel smart for a little bit :P
"grace, you're stuffed in a box getting rid of ass plaque. let's face it, this evening is a bust."
#21

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:19pm

"well, the phantom WAS the devil's child, and as we ALL know, a devil's child doesn't AGE at the same rate as normal people. so, OF COURSE madame giry looks OLDER than the phantom!"~cturtle

Honey...that is Raoul-not the phantom
and all that I could do because of you was talk of love...
#22

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:51pm

i stand corrected. but the biggest age discrepency in the movie is not between raoul and m giry ... it's between the phantom and m giry, since they were portrayed as approximately the same age in the "flashback" sequence. how did m giry get to be so much older than the phantom appears to be? ...

"the phantom WAS the devil's child, and as we ALL know, a devil's child doesn't AGE at the same rate as normal people. so, OF COURSE madame giry looks OLDER than the phantom!"
RIP glebby <3
#23

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/29/04 at 11:59pm

The script says that Madame Giry is 15 years or so older than Raoul in the beginning, but Raoul "doesn't enjoy her good health" because he's sickly...(that's what I remembered, I was looking at the book today...)

I thought at first that it was Meg, and then thought it looked so much like Miranda Richardson and was confused...but I guess it's supposed to be Madame Giry.

And the script also says that Madame Giry finds the Phantom when she is 12 and he is 9.
#24

re: The question of Madame Giry's age versus Rhoul's in auction

Posted: 12/30/04 at 12:35am

that's only a 3 year difference between the phantom and m giry (damn, i'm smart) ... he sure did age better than she did! guess all the stress of trying to teach those squealing girls to dance really aged her, while the phantom lived a care-free life down in his underground palace.
RIP glebby <3

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