"Wicked" and George W. Bush

Just saw Wicked this afternoon. Idina btw got caught in the trap door in the 2nd to last scene and bruised or broke a couple of ribs. Looks like she'll be leaving a few days early.

Anyway, loved the show as a musical, but at the same time I've never seen anything so anti-W short of Al Franken's "Lying Liars and the Lies They Tell". Now am I crazy, or did I just blow it now by revealing it to the masses?

ALF

alf...please explain yourself!?!

Are you trying to suggest that the Wizard is modeled after Dubya?

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Compare the statements made by The Frogs and Wicked and then tell me which is more anti-Bush.

No matter what his/her connection is, it is invalid in terms of it being intended, as the novel was written in '96, before W. entered the national politics scene.

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Updated On: 1/8/05 at 09:49 PM

Forget Frogs and Wicked
Avenue Q baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah...

I either read or saw Gregory Maguire say something to the effect of "It's scary when something you write about turns out to be true" with respect to George Dubya. I think however, you have to think about it in broader terms. One of the themes of Wicked is abuse of power and parallels and connections from it can be drawn about a lot of leaders, politicians, not only our fearless "president."

It has a lot bigger relation to Nazi Germany then our "WONDERFUL" (haha, totally jk) president

i know that the book alludes to nazi germany (the Animals arent like us, we're better than they are, they shouldnt hold important jobs, etc) but most of that is lost in the musical which is much more lighthearted. i mean, compare the endings...but whatever i liked them both for very different reasons. i dont, however, see the bush connection (or Fahrenheit 9/11) but if you then go for it.

and speaking of F911... we all know that everything michael moore says has to be taken with a grain of salt. hes very liberal and very biased (and to his credit he admits it) but hes allowed his piece whether you agree with it or not. my dad made me watch this ridiculous documentry called FahrenHype 9/11 (which i watched because, unlike him, i can examine both sides of an issue) and they tried to prove that 9/11 was inaccurate. okay i admit they found some things that were wrong, but mostly they were just spun or creatively edited. anyway they only found about 5 things, and oddly enough none of them related to the centrel message of Fahrenheit 9/11. probably because anyone watching FahrenHype had not seen Fahrenheit andtherefore didnt actually know what it was about and were merely content with the fact that Hype was a film bashing moore. which shows how both documentaries are flawed. Fahrenheit 9/11 didnt open anyones eyes. it gave those against bush more reason to hate him and bush supporters more reason to hate moore. if you supported bush, you werent goingto go see 9/11. its that simple. and although i enjoyed it and have tremendous respect for moore, i think he is an egomaniac and im glad hes out of the oscar race. (super size me deserves it..lol)

but i still would like to know how anyone can see a connection bt wicked and W/Fahrenheit 9/11

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"I think you meant that farenheit was edited in certain ways - very cleverly (word?) i must say..."

i did actually..sry my wording was a bit ridiculous.

and i believe you that farenhype is true, it just didnt concentrate on any of the big questions posed in fahrenheit.

and i suppose ill have to deal.

i didnt particularly like either of candidates either. if i was old enough i would have voted kerry simply because he wasnt bush. which isnt the best reason, i know.

i do, however, believe in knocking a president when he is trying to get us through a war we shouldnt have been involved in in the first place.

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bronx, it's not even funny as a joke...

"i do, however, believe in knocking a president when he is trying to get us through a war we shouldnt have been involved in in the first place."

Forgetting about the war being a good or bad choice, i think that once we were involved in it, we should do what we could to get through it...

I'm pretty sure "I'm an unelected official" refers to Bush. Thats why it gets a big laugh every night.

It shouldn't be a surprise that the themes in Wicked are universal---Shrubya isn't the first idiot leader. He's not the first to lie to the people. He's not the first to take his people to war for greed and corrupt reasons. He's not the first to try to make certain citizens second class.

Oh--and while Moore may have edited 5 things (out of an entire FILM!) to get the answer he desired, not ONE thing is false. He had the film fact checked and double fact checked before releasing it.

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