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#1

Wild Party Question

This is something I've always wondered, don't know why I all of a sudden thought to ask just now. I did a search and found every Lippa vs. LaChiusa thread that's existed, and my question wasn't addressed, so...

I'm aware that there are two different versions, but my question is: how did this come to pass? How is it that two different composers decided to write two different musicals about the same story? I mean, I guess it's possible, but you don't hear about that happening too often. Has it in fact happened more than once?

I'm not familiar with copyright/legal stuff, but how is it that they were both allowed to happen? Is it up to the original author of the story to determine how many different adaptations can be made? I forget which one came out first, but was there any conflict or trouble when the second one emerged?

From a non-legal standpoint, how was this occurrence received within the theater community at the time? I mean, wouldn't people likely scoff at someone who wanted to "re-musicalize" a story that's already been made into a musical? I'm not too familiar with the plot, I've only heard some songs, but is it the type of story where you wouldn't be surprised if you heard there were many different adaptations?

Sorry for all the questions, but I figured I had the best shot of getting them all answered in one place if I posted here, rather than doing all the research on my own (I'm lazy, I admit...) And in my defense, any time I tried searching only brought up explanations of the differences between the two, rather than an explanation as to why there are two in the first place. Not just on here, but on other boards, Google, etc...
If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?
#2

re: Wild Party Question

great question...if only i knew the answer!

i will say that i look forward to seeing who can help you with an answer to those questions, because i'd quite like to know the whole story myself :)


"...But Kungurtseva reels off multiple fouettes and the tape is stopped so she can take a bow. The Jester, an abomination introduced to Swan Lake in Soviet times, extorts applause from the audience. The cuts don't help the storytelling, the production is bare bones and they go for the '50s-style happy ending. The audience cheers like mad at the end. It's the Russian ballet, after all..."
#3

re: Wild Party Question

Well, they are both based on the same poem from the early 1900's.. What amazes me is how long it took to write one musical (let alone two) based on the poem (there had already been a "tamed-down" movie).

For whatever reason, call it coincidence, LaChiusa and Lippa wrote a musical version. Lippa's opened off-Broadway and LaChiusa's opened shortly after that on Broadway (Lippa's had closed already). Sadly, neither one made it very long.

The two musicals were very different as the main action began to happen. LaChiusa's is also truer to the poem, causing a different set-up and style than Lippa's. Because of this difference (IMO Lippa's is for a younger crowd, whereas LaChiusa's is for a more mature, theatre-going crowd), I don't think that the theatre community "scoffed" at the two musicals.

The ending of both shows is somewhat similar. The means to the ending is different in both.

Each one offers something the other does not, but neither is completely perfect.

In my opinion, while occasionally heavy, LaChiusa was able to have a similar ending as Lippa's, coherently, while keeping all the other characters involved. Lippa's reaches a point where the other characters seem to disappear into the chorus...where as LaChiusa's characters remain just that - characters.

Consider it like a movie being made based on a book - then another movie being made based on the same source material.

Updated On: 10/26/05 at 11:41 PM

#4

re: Wild Party Question

Fantastic question... I don't have an answer, but if I did it would be something along these lines.

The same way 2 PHANTOM, 2 LITTLE WOMEN, and 2 PRINCESSES/A LITTLE PRINCESS musicals come about at the same time!

I just don't know what that is.

EDIT: I thought one of them was comissioned. Is that true??
"It's like children's theatre for 40-year old gay people!" - XANADU THE MUSICAL

Updated On: 10/26/05 at 11:43 PM

#5

re: Wild Party Question

Someone correct me if i am wrong because it is entirely possible. I believe this happened because the work went into the public domain, IE rights not needed. When this happened, because it was such a good subject matter, the two composers decided to start writing it.
#6

re: Wild Party Question

YEs when something enters public domain, you do not have to get permission to use it. I'm assuming the poem is in public domain. Every year there's a list of the things that go into public domain that year.
#7

re: Wild Party Question

I had to write a paper on Lippa's The Wild Party for a class and read something about this online. Apparently in the early 90s, there was an artist that took the original poem and made a bunch of drawings based on it and the book was reissued. Lippa and LaChiusa both got the book and were inspired by it.

http://www.curtainup.com/wildparty-book.html
Like a firework unexploded
Wanting life but never knowing how

Updated On: 10/27/05 at 02:02 AM

#8

re: Wild Party Question

The book mentioned is the illustrated version published a few years ago with very dark, appropriately strange drawings and graphics.

As for the ability and desire to do two stories about the same subject at once...it happens in movies too. Witness the Robin Hood movies that both came out at the same time. Often studies and producers will rush one to the stage or screen to try to 'beat out' the other one. Had Harmony made it to the stage on time without all the legal entanglements, it would have been launched shortly after another stage production about the Comedian Harmonists. So, yes, it does happen more often than you'd think
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#9

re: Wild Party Question

LaChiusa's music and lyrics seem more specific to the original text. Truer if you will. Although there are some enjoyable moments in Lippa's score, there is something modern and untrue about his adaptation. When I listen I don't feel connected to the material in the same manner I do when I listen to LaChiusa's take. Lippa's songs can be lifted out of the story and fit elsewhere, while LaChiusa's choices are purely specific the the story he is adapting. While LaChiusa used the story as a guide, Lippa seems to use it more as a starting point for ideas that seem to not fit with the poem's feel and message. Not that Lippa's work is bad, it just doesn't fit the text he is adapting. Had those songs been in another original text, I might find it more enjoyable. LaChiusa's work is guided by his source material, and it shows when you listen to the score. His characters have more depth and purpose, while Lippa's seem to be objects of the music. Lippa clearly had an aim to write something a bit more friendly to a naked ear, but LaChiusa writes with truth, honesty, and a great mind for the material he is adapting.
#10

re: Wild Party Question

Hollywood had:
WYATT EARP and TOMBSTONE the same year
Two Christopher Columbus movies the same year (1992 - the 500th anniversary)
DANGEROUS LIASONS and VALMONT - both based on Les Liasons Dangereuse - the same year
VICE VERSA and LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON - father and son body switch movies the same year
WEIRD SCIENCE, REAL GENIUS, and MY SCIENCE PROJECT - wacky teen sci-fi comedies - the same year.
#11

re: Wild Party Question

Art Spiegelman (Maus) beautifully illustrated March's poem, which got it back into circulation.

Many of his designs could actually be seen in the LaChiua's TWP. In fact, Dolores' (Eartha Kitt) costume is very similar to the costume pictured. Madaleine True (Jane Sumerhayes) also has a similar look.

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