Young Frankenstein . Is Elizabeth a virgin or not?

[n2005]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:46pm

I have seen the show twice but I'm still a little confused about the character Elizabeth. I thought she was a virgin and was 'awakened' by the Monster hence the song Sweet Mystery .Listening to the OBCR I can hear the lyrics better and the song 'Please Don't Touch Me' gives the impression that she has had every guy in NYC and the Dr. is the virgin. Anyone else find this confusing or can someone enlighten me?

[D2]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:48pm

Does it really matter?

[cooperross]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:50pm

According to the souvenir program, yes she is.

[zooxanthellae]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:54pm

I always thought she wasn't, but sang "sweet mystery" because the monster was the first man to actually satisfy her...

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:57pm

In the film, Elizabeth is indeed a virgin - hence the whole "not touching," thing. It's a brilliant routine on screen - highlighted by the overwhelmingly delightful Madeline Khan.

On stage, the impression I got was that Elizabeth wasn't a virgin, considering her remark, "as every guy in New York knows, I come first, too." It's certainly in inconsistency, since she sings "Ah, Sweet Mysteries...," which, in the film, was her sexual awakening (another brilliantly played scene by Khan.)

If the souvenir program says that she is a virgin, that adds another dimension of inconsistency.

[n2005]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 4:58pm

Does it matter? In the grand scheme of things does anything really matter? No,probably not. But if I can't occupy my mind by questioning the virginity of a fictional character then life's not worth living , I say.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 5:09pm

I haven't seen the show yet but I was confused listening to the cast recording. In "Please Don't Touch Me" it certainly doesn't sound like she is a virgin, especially from the way she says "Oh, Freddy, I know that you're a virgin" and the "I come first too remark" as well. But then I didn't get the whole idea behind the song, if she is such a horny person why wouldn't she want to have sex with the Roger Bart character? Also when she sings "Deep Love" and she says she wasn't looking for "one night stand love or cheap love" it sounds like she HAS had that kind of love.
Was she really a virgin in the movie? I thought the idea behind "don't touch me" (my favorite scene in the whole movie, and yes, it was indeed played marvelously by Madeline Kahn) at the train station was because she had to go to the cocktail party.

[ashbash1990]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 7:30pm

thats what I thought, too...

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 7:39pm

I'm pretty sure she's not a virgin in the film, at least that's not where the "don't touch me" phrase comes. Then there's the scene in the castle when she tells him they have to wait to get married and she gives him a little kiss. Not sure if that's where Yankee got that she was a virgin.

[allofmylife]

Posted: 12/27/07 at 11:18pm

Oh please. Don't touch this.

[BobbyBubby]

Posted: 12/28/07 at 2:25am

Well, according to the text, there are at least 2 moments where Elizabeth reveals her, erm, experience. I'm half awake so these are probabably not word for word "...as every man in New York knows, I come first too". and "you men are all the same, 5 or 6 quick ones and you're off..." which implies Elizabeth has had these experiences before.

[WOSQ]

Posted: 12/28/07 at 10:46am

Good grief, we've all been a virgin once...or twice, depending on who we were with.

The three big lies in NYC:
1 - I love you.
2 - There's another train right behind this one.
3 - I've never done this before...

[broadwayjules]

Posted: 12/28/07 at 1:06pm

I believe she is a virgin in the movie. In the scene where the monster is about to have his way with her in the woods she's rambling a little trying to stop him and she very subtly says "I'm a vir..." then trails off. Watch the scene again closely. And I agree, very brilliantly acted by Madeline.

[Mealz1042]

Posted: 12/28/07 at 4:05pm

well i've never seen the movie but from the play i assumed that she was NOT. but who knows.

[TWSFan4Ever]

Posted: 1/3/08 at 8:15pm

On stage, when does Elizabeth sing "Sweet Mystery?" I'm just confused because it's not an actual Musical Number.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/3/08 at 8:19pm

y'all are kidding right? a virgin? this thread lowers the collective iq of earth.

[TWSFan4Ever]

Posted: 1/5/08 at 10:27am

Anybody able to answer my question?

[B3TA07]

Posted: 1/5/08 at 10:37am

"On stage, when does Elizabeth sing "Sweet Mystery?" I'm just confused because it's not an actual Musical Number."

Before "Deep Love."

I think in the musical, Elizabeth is sexually not a virgin, but when she makes it with the monster is the first time that the sex was emotionally involving for her. Hence the song "Deep Love." It's not just about a huge penis.

[TWSFan4Ever]

Posted: 1/5/08 at 11:54am

Thanks for the answer!