beauty and the beast

[producersfan2]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:28pm

I was thinking, B&TB teaches some pretty dangerous lessons to young girls. The beast is horrible abusive and cruel to Belle, yet it's her responsibility to be patient and remain kind and reinterpret his behavior.

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:30pm

Hmmmm. Never thought of that before. I've always thought that Disney movies teach young girls that they should ahve lots of clevage. But thats just me.

[Joshua488]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:35pm

You should hear my History teacher. He is nuts, and he likes to talk about how Disney teaches awful lessons. My favorite theory of his is:

THE LITTLE MERMAID - A girl can make a man want her if she has nice legs and doesn't talk.

[magelet21]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:35pm

How many twisted themes are in broadway shows?

Chicago---It's okay to kill someone as long as you can lie and flirt and dance your way around it.

Carousel---Domestic Abuse is lovely

Gypsy--the path to happiness is stripping

There are a ton of others and I'm usually much more sarcastic about this but I'm tired.

[producersfan2]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:36pm

hehe. brings me back to middle school days, where we'd sit in the cafeteria and discuss which disney heroines we'd rather ****.

[jacobtsf]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:37pm

I work in a Children's Theatre and we get into these conversations all the time. These stories show what is the very best thing in the world: Finding a rich guy(preferably a handsome prince) and never having to work.
That is why I loved being in SHREK(stage show not movie): it changed the bar.

[BroadwayMonkey]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:37pm

LMAO. Never thought of those.

[producersfan2]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:38pm

of course Shrek preaches that it's what's inside that counts while mercilessly making fun of short people.

[jmaclover]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:39pm

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[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:42pm

Yea guys, you can find somethign like that in EVERYTHING - but no one actually thinks like that. Little 8 year old girls don't sit in BEAUTY AND THE BEAST thinking of the messages. Afterall, that's not the overall messsage of Beauty and the Beast - the overall message is that "what counts is on the inside." Blah Blah Blah...

They're meant for entertainment, not for self-help.

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:46pm

Thanks Munk...

But I heard that these shows were a major motivating force in the life of young anna nicole smith.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:47pm

Does Anna Nicole Smith even know what theatre is?

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 8:59pm

I doubt it... but it shows the way these negative views have permeated every aspect of society..

HAHA... what a load of crap..

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:02pm

I don't know, don't you think it's possible that so many killers once watched BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and saw the beast murder Gaston and thought "wow, if I murder someone, it will be okay and I'll get the hot girl!" It's very logical.


PLEASE GIVE ME A F'N BREAK

[magruder]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:09pm

Gaston falls off the castle. The Beast doesn't lay a hand on him.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:11pm

Actually, Gaston falls off the roof of the castle as a result of him fighting with the beast. And I'm pretty sure at some point in the fight scene the beast lays a hand on Gaston. Yea, he does. Moreso in the movie - doesn't he dangle Gaston over the edge with his "paw" around his neck?

[magruder]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:14pm

The Beast saves Gaston initally from falling, admonishes Gaston to get out. The Beast turns to Belle, and is stabbed in the back by Gaston twice, and then Gaston falls backward off the castle.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:16pm

Wow. I'm not going to argue with someone who knows the fight scene of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST that perfectly...it's kind of scary, actually. I was just making a joke and used BEAUTY because someone mentioned it before. I'm sorry if my incorrect depiction of the final scene in a Disney musical offended you.

[magruder]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:19pm

Not offended in the least by your incorrect depiction. Just offended terribly by your patronizing, arrogant attitude.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:20pm

I don't believe I was either patronizing OR arrogant...I was making a joke. And if you're "offended" by a joke, you must be a pretty sensitive guy.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:22pm

no, strappy, you used an incorrect interpretation to lash out at a poster whose opinion was at odds with yours. when faced with the facts of the scene, instead of admitting your error, you chose to try to belittle the person who knew more about the scene than you. no one seemed offended but you here. a good therapist might help you with that victim complex and make it easier for you interact with others without lashing out at perceived slights.

[magruder]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:23pm

Please. Your withering tone comes shining through in everything you write. Don't try to soft sell me now.

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:26pm

Don't read too much into it. I agree with Munkustrap - all I got out of B&tB (My favorite Disney and still one of my alltime favs) was 1) its whats one the inside that counts 2)when youre beautiful inside you are outside too. Oh AND great musical numbers and animation. I Love this movie-Belle is so admirable; she's independent and smart. Finally! Now SNOW WHITE teaches bad lessons to girls...

[millie_dillmount]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:26pm

I never thought of it that way. Although it may be true, a majority of most likely don't look at it this way, so this "bad lesson" isn't that effective.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 11/30/04 at 9:27pm

I wasn't thinking of the exact scene, I was joking with "MaTakeaLookatME" - it was a joke, don't take everything so seriously. It's amazing how people call you on EVERYTHING...I wasn't going for accuracy.

And I didn't LASH out at anyone, that's a little dramatic. I was talking to one other person - we were joking about the beauty and the beast thing.

It still cracks me up how seriously people take this...